Rollei Pan 25 RIP

[haempe]

So as long as Efke will still be making the Pan 25, it does not look so bad. But they say it is the same as the "Efke Pan 25", not the KB or PL or R series. I have not seen the Efke Pan 25 anywhere but Macodirect.

Yes, that is a bit irritating because the Efke Kb 25 is a orthopan film.
But if you follow the link Rollei Pan 25 from their start-page you get this side, so I think it is Efke Kb 25.
I think I'll ask at the next order.

 

[Fotohuis]

Yes, Efke 25 is an Orthopan film, like the Efke 50 and the Fuji Acros 100. The Rollei Retro 100 TONAL too. This is in fact a modified Efke 100 film. It's a copy of the PO100C earlier in the Maco B&W film program.

But for landscape photography a very nice film.
Here an example of Rollei Retro 100 TONAL in AM74/RHS 1+9.

 

[haempe]

...The Rollei Retro 100 TONAL too. This is in fact a modified Efke 100 film. It's a copy of the PO100C earlier in the Maco B&W film program...

Really nice. This film is worth a try...

Here an example of Rollei Retro 100 TONAL in AM74/RHS 1+9.

What means "AM74/RHS 1+9" ? Is RHS = AM74 ? 😕

 

[Fotohuis]

http://www.schwarzweiss-magazin.de/swmag_frame_wollstein.htm

Ungleiche Brüder
Orthopanchromatische Filme:
MACO PO 100c und Fuji Neopan 100 Acros

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]By T Wollstein (April 2003)[/FONT]

 

[Fotohuis]

What means "AM74/RHS 1+9" ? Is RHS = AM74

Yes, Rollei High Speed = Amaloco AM74. In the past also sold under LP Super Grain. Argenta was till they were sold to India the German distributor of Amaloco in Germany. Hartmuth Schröder was in charge in that time and aquinted to Jaap van Beugen, director and owner of Amaloco Photochemicals hence their connection in the photo industry.

But because Amaloco is not producing anymore in Holland (since August 2008) so Tetenal made an upgrade for this developer. The new name will be D74.

They lowered the amount of Hydroquinon and made the developer a bit more concentrated. Most times of the 1+9 dilution you can do now 1+12.

I am just busy to test out this new D74 on several regular B&W films. It will also come in the new softpack 330ml packings.

 

[haempe]

Yes, Rollei High Speed = Amaloco AM74. In the past also sold under LP Super Grain...

Thanks for explanation!

 

[Trius]

Do you develop it for the time given for box speed, or a shorter time for 40/32? I'm interested in giving the film another try (last time was two years ago on a Mamiya 645 at box speed). Also, how would you rate it against Efke 25?

I have no experience with Efke 25, so can't comment.

I believe my time for Pan F+ with Rodinal 1:50 is 11 minutes, 19 minutes for Rodinal 1:100. I do my own tests for times, I use Digital Truth times as a starting point.

 

[Trius]

It will stay in the Rollei program. But the film is made by Efke now (not Filmotec). So : R3, PAN 25 has been discontinued. Ortho 25 is available in 35mm, 120 roll film and different sheet film sizes.

Here an example in RLC which is a low contrast document developer. It's an Udo Raffay type developer, made by CG in Hamburg for Rollei Maco.

That's lovely.

 

[Fotohuis]

Thanks.

BTW 35mm Ortho 25 (Rollei) film.

 

[HHPhoto]

The market is too small for too many iso 25-50 B&W products.

Hi Robert,

I think that is not the problem.
The reason why Rollei Pan 25 is not longer offered is most probably because this film can nothing offer extraordinary or special.

It has been Efke 25 in last two years, so people can use Efke 25 or Adox CHS 25.
And, a pulled Ilford Pan F+ at ISO 25, or a pulled TMX, Delta 100 or Acros 100 at ISO 50 deliver at least the same, often even better results.
Especially resolution and grain are better with these films compared to Pan 25.

And with Agfa Copex Rapid in Spur Modular UR new you can significantly surpass this quality level, and even get higher speed.

To sum it up: Several better alternatives are there. Pan 25 lost the competition.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

Yes, it is a very good film, especially in the ATP-DC/AB develoiper made by SPUR for this Agfa Gevaert high resolution film.

ATP1.1 in ATP-DC. 35mm M7 + Summarit 2,5/75mm example.

Robert,
please more nice ladies in your sample shots.....😉

I agree with you on ATP. Excellent film. Almost grainless with extremely high resolution in the dedicated Spur ATP DC A/B developer. Medium format quality with 35mm film.

But users should now that it is a superpanchromatic film with extended red sensivity (like Kodak Technical Pan).
Red is significantly lighter, paler compared to normal panchromatic films.
In portraits the difference is quite significant. Often the skin looks like 'porcelaine' (depending on the ligthing and exposure).

One disadvantage of this film: Very curly.

The supplement or alternative is Agfa Copex Rapid, developed in the dedicated Spur Modular UR film:
- panchromatic film
- clear base, therefore judging of the negatives is very easy
- better flatness than ATP
- a bit higher sensivity
- subjective a bit sharper
- extremely high resolution
- grain is a bit coarser than ATP; Copex Rapid has the classic film look compared to the almost grain free ATP
- gives really nice neutral BW slides in Agfa Scala reversal processing at Photostudio 13 (ISO 64 with 35mm, ISO 80 with 120)
- the 120 film has about 1/3 stop higher speed than the 35mm Copex Rapid
- medium format quality with 35mm film.

Both are two excellent films, if you use the dedicated Spur developers.
I take the Copex Rapid for most normal shots, and the ATP in such cases I want the extended red sensivity.

Cheers, Jan

 

[Fotohuis]

please more nice ladies in your sample shots.....😉

OK, especially for you 🙂

Julia, from Minsk in a Dutch windmill. M7 + Summarit 2,5/75mm on Fuji Pro 400H.

 

[Pirate]

I can not find the specs for the Rollei ATP Spur developer but I see it comes in 140ml bottles. How many rolls can you develop with this bottle?

I would like to get a 5-pack of the ATP 1.1 in 120 format and test it but I need to know how much developer to get with it.

Thanks

 

[Fotohuis]

http://shop.fotohuisrovo.nl/product_info.php?cPath=31_37&products_id=280&language=en

The smallest packing is 2x 60ml for three ATP1.1 35mm films.

BTW this divided version for the 120 roll film is not finished yet. Due to the larger surface (for roll film) it needs a slightly different receipt. SPUR is still working on it.

 

[Pirate]

Thanks, I was looking at this one:

http://freestylephoto.biz/4222112-Rollei-ATP-DC-SPUR-Film-Developer-for-ATP1.1-Film-140ml?cat_id=301

 

[Fotohuis]

It is the old type ATP-DC (not divided). It is not sold in Europe anymore for over 1/2 year.
This developer works too in 35mm but has a limited life span of about 1 - 1 1/2 year. Dilution 1+11,5.

The new divided version expected life span is at least 2-3 years. Alternative you can use the SPUR Modular UR (new) too. Depending which type of micro film you have, you need Part A B C D or a combination of it.

 

[HHPhoto]

OK, especially for you 🙂

Julia, from Minsk in a Dutch windmill. M7 + Summarit 2,5/75mm on Fuji Pro 400H.

Thanks Robert 🙂!
And even on Fuji Pro 400H, my prefered CN film (looks like you have read my mind).
Reminds me to do some color portraits again. My latest this year were all on BW film.

Cheers, Jan