Rumoured X-M1?

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X-M1, due in April.

Would this be an X-Pro1 (or 2) with a special APC-S X-Trans chip with micro-lenses optimized for M-mount lenses?

Given all the effort Fuji has put into accommodating M-mount lenses on their X series interchangeable lens cameras, it makes sense to take the final step and tweak the sensor (like Ricoh did). After all, Fuji make their own sensors.

Yet I cannot see why they would market that separately?

Any other notions of what the "X-M1" could be? (Vapourware, ha!)
 
It says that X-M1 is an entry level rather than dedicated camera for leica glasses. While Fuji definitely has the capability to develop such a camera, I can't see any reason or they have the resource to do it now instead of building and selling their X mount lens and cameras.
 
roundg said:
It says that X-M1 is an entry level rather than dedicated camera for leica glasses. While Fuji definitely has the capability to develop such a camera, I can't see any reason or they have the resource to do it now instead of building and selling their X mount lens and cameras.
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That would make sense, yet I thought that the XE series was the entry-level.

For myself, I generally prefer to use the Fuji native lenses, and I suppose the feeling is widely shared by X users. But it may help expand the base of users.

Fuji has already made considerable efforts to integrate M-mount lens use into their X line, I would be surprised if their marketing department sees it as a threat to native Fuji lens sales.
 
noimmunity said:
That would make sense, yet I thought that the XE series was the entry-level.

For myself, I generally prefer to use the Fuji native lenses, and I suppose the feeling is widely shared by X users. But it may help expand the base of users.

Fuji has already made considerable efforts to integrate M-mount lens use into their X line, I would be surprised if their marketing department sees it as a threat to native Fuji lens sales.
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IF fuji can come out
1) X-pro2 or Xe -2 by adding the digital split image focusing, it can attract many M lens user to upgrade from M8 or other EVIL.
2) a full frame -- people will hesitate between Fuji and M9.
3) Tuned microlens with above 1 and 2, Leica will become a pure Lens company.
 
roundg said:
IF fuji can come out
1) X-pro2 or Xe -2 by adding the digital split image focusing, it can attract many M lens user to upgrade from M8 or other EVIL.
2) a full frame -- people will hesitate between Fuji and M9.
3) Tuned microlens with above 1 and 2, Leica will become a pure Lens company.
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1) Fuji will add it for certain. Why wouldn't they?
2) The X system lens design is defined by APS-C.
3) 1+3 are possible, but I doubt this will affect Leica, who are aiming to become the high-end segment of the mirrorless market.
 
I would like X-M1 to be an APS-C M mount rangefinder. If Fuji starts making both M mount lenses and bodies I will buy into it, of course if cheaper than Leica. I know it is highly unlikely.
What I don't understand, is why Epson doesn't buy a modern/better/improved/up-to-date sensor & electronics and ship the R-D1x globally. What do they have to lose?
 
That would make sense, yet I thought that the XE series was the entry-level.
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Priced a little high for that, especially with the latest entry-level NEX coming in at $500 with the 16-50 PZ lens.

Easiest place to cut costs with a lower-end body for Fuji would be to offer rear LCD framing only. Right now the X-E1 is more like an NEX-6 or an OM-D E-M5 in terms of features and cost.
 
I would consider such a camera if it had an optical rangefinder - not the current hybrid do-dad which works "fine" for the AF lenses but creates a bit of a pain with the M-Mount RF lenses with any sort of moving object.

Cheers,
Dave
 
Sony makes the X-pro1 sensor, whether either company openly admit it or not.
The CFA is customised for Fuji. I see no reason why microlenses cannot also be customised as per the Ricoh A12.
 
I can't see how making a body that doesn't fit it's own lenses would benefit Fujifilm. I'm thinking this will be similar to Olympus' E-PM1... a dumbed down version of its X series maybe even without a VF.
 
jsrockit said:
I can't see how making a body that doesn't fit it's own lenses would benefit Fujifilm. I'm thinking this will be similar to Olympus' E-PM1... a dumbed down version of its X series maybe even without a VF.
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It would benefit them if it sells cameras.

The number of users that actually want an APS-C or even FF Fuji M-mount body is very small, and while there will be some overlap with those who would buy an X-mount camera (and thus Fuji glass) over such a camera, there are also people that won't buy an X-mount camera because it performs somewhat poorly with M-mount glass (especially wides, and with respect to focusing).

The potential cannibalization is relatively small; probably on the order of what Fuji lose to Ricoh and Sony as APS-C M-mount solutions. I see the (alleged) X-M1 as a good way to get into that market.

That said, I don't think Fuji will do this.
 
edge100 said:
I disagree.

As long as Fuji can make money on a camera, and potentially convert a user that would have otherwise purchased a Ricoh or a Sony, then it's a win.
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Ok, I concede. I don't know anything about running a camera company, so I could be wrong. However, I would think the R&D involved would make Fuji feel like it would need to move some volume.
 
jsrockit said:
Ok, I concede. I don't know anything about running a camera company, so I could be wrong. However, I would think the R&D involved would make Fuji feel like it would need to move some volume.
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Possibly. I guess it comes down to how much extra R&D would needed to make such a body vs. how many units can be sold. That said, I suspect that the margins would be very slim, especially considering that there would have to be work done at the sensor level to gain maximal utility with M-mount glass (microlenses, for instance).

Again, I don't think Fuji will do this.
 
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