Russian film?

Svema definitely has some form of relationship with Forte: one bulk of Fortepan 400 I got was packed in a tin canister with Svema logo engaved at the bottom.

Overall I don't find FSU film particularly outstanding. Some of it is OK but I'll take Tri-X over it any day 🙂
 
BILLC said:
Has anyone used Russian film? Do they make film? We can get film from China, the Balkens(sp), the UK, and the US, but the FSU? Do they put T MAX or pan f through their old Feds like I do?
Bill
Answering this question I have to say I definetely used Soviet film as I lived here (Kharkov - motherland of FEDs). I used Svema brand, so I will describe this film if anyone's really interested. Here is a brief info on available for average amateur Soviet film. This is a history - I am referring to films produced between 1978 and 1991... and BTW our Feds and Zorkijs were new then ;^)

Foto-32. Blue box. 32 ISO. Very wide latitude and relatively fine grain. I can't directly compare this film to western brands as I didn't have western film then and I don't have Foto brand now. It was my favourite film, but I tryied and failed a couple of times with this film before I got development process right.

Foto-65. Green box. 65 ISO. It was most widely used film. Every newbie usually used this film, including me. This was the only film with some special measures to the emulsion resulted in keeping constant contrast. What I mean this was very forgiving film for inacurate processing time/temperature. Also, it was probably good film for pushing. Increasing development time one could get more dense negatives and normal contrast. Talking in curves terminology - over development shifts curve but angle is the same. Probably it's common property for most western film, but AFAIK that was the only film with this characteristics. It was good and bad - I realized that I usually overdevelop my film too late, when failed with Foto-32 and got too contrasty and grainy negatives. In mid of 80s soviet standard (GOST) was changed, standard contrast adjusted to western standards (I believe gamma was changed to 0.62 instead of old soviet norm 0.8) and as a result effective sensitivity was also changed. They started to mark this film as Foto-64.

Foto-130. Orange box. 130 ISO. Fast film which I never liked. It was not that fast but it was grainy. Maybe I didn't use it often because it wasn't my speed and can't say much about this film; maybe it was excellent film for someone who used it regularly. Later it was changed to Foto-125 as a result of changing standards (not emulsion).

Foto-250. Red box. 250 ISO. Really fast film for that time. Sometimes I used this film for available light. More often I used A2SH which was not available in retail stores, but professional only. A2SH was produced in bulk rolls only. It had better sensitivity in yellowish spectrum of traditional bulbs - around 380 ISO. I heard that Foto-250 was also more sensitive for bulb light, but I can't say anything about it. Foto-250 was grainy film... but you have to pay for speed.

In the end of 80s when Kodak, Ilford and others reported incredible results out of their new silver-save technologies, Svema also announced new plain crystall emulsions. I think, I read this in "Soviet Foto" magazine, and new film was supposed to be marked as FN instead of Foto. I never tried this FN stuff using old stock from my fridge. Someone told me nothing was changed, just a name on the box. Someone was in hunt for old Foto because didn't like results from new FN. Can't comment on it... really, that was time when USSR collapsed and I was a student at university... didn't spend much time shooting.

There were also colour films, really shity ones. I remember DS-4 (day light) and CLN-90 (bulb light). Much better was East German Orwocolor films. I got just excellent slides out of Orwochrome. This imported film was expensive but probably the only way to get good results in colour photography.

I never saw Kodak or Ilford film while soviet union existed. I heard someone was able to get Fomapan stuff... but it was not available for an average Ivan like me.

Cheers,
Eduard
 
Thanks for the great perspective on the films available at the time. I always wondered about colour film in FSU cameras, and how commonly it was used.
 
Thanks for the look back Eduard. What kind of cameras were you useing? I see so many FSU cameras for sale that we don't use, they must be common over there. I have at least a dozen cameras from a Fed 1 to a Zorki 6, Kiev, and a Zenit but I have never heard anyone talk about their Smena or Tchaika. They must have been everywhere and maybe still are. Does anyone still use the old rangefinders that we enjoy so much?
Bill
 
Smena, Vilia and such were in the niche of inexpensive point and shoots. Smena-8M though enjoyed somewhat "bohemian" reputation long before lomographs noticed its existence. Small camera that operated well in severe cold, it was commonly found in alpiners' or wilderness explorers backpacks, even at polar expeditions, although most samples were just used for family snaps.
 
My first camera was Smena 8m - (not a surprise as I was an 8 years old boy). It was a cheap viewfinder camera, it was excellent camera for that price (15 roubles). My second camera was Zenit 11 SLR, I still use it sometimes for my m42 lenses. I never had Tchaika, but it was a great camera giving 72 exposures out of standard roll. In 80s Tchaika was not so popular and out of production, I think. All kind of Feds I usually rented from my friends and relatives. In mid of 80s when I got some money I was looking to buy Kiev-4 with Jupiter lens, but Arsenal stopped production of them and I didn't go to used market then. 80s was time of SLR - all kind of Zenits (two production plants built them - KMZ and Vileika in Belarussia), Arsenal established production of Nikon F mount Kiev-19 etc. There was a lot of different P&S like Viliya-Auto, I don't remember them all. My dream about Kiev-4 and jupiter lens materialized when I moved to Canada; now I can afford to but it on used market and an unfortunate loss of 30-40 bucks wouldn't be so dramatic for me.
In the middle of 90s FSU got a tonn of different P&S cameras; as well as colour consumer grade film and minilabs at every corner in big cities. Market didn't look very different from any other country. I remember the first digital Sony cameras with floppy drive I saw in a store 🙂 Consumer didn't want b&w anymore and now they didn't want film. So, there are people there shooting film and even using old rangefinders like we here. But many of my friends prefered convinience of digital. I don't think situation there is somewhat very different than in US.

comp_wiz101, yeah colour film was expensive and lab service was not cheap nor available in small towns. So, colour film was for professionals and amateurs with passion to colour 🙂 But for soviet lens there was parameter as colour formula and one could guess tonality of different lens.

Eduard.
 
ed1k said:
Foto-250. Red box. 250 ISO. Really fast film for that time. Sometimes I used this film for available light. More often I used A2SH which was not available in retail stores, but professional only. A2SH was produced in bulk rolls only. It had better sensitivity in yellowish spectrum of traditional bulbs - around 380 ISO. I heard that Foto-250 was also more sensitive for bulb light, but I can't say anything about it. Foto-250 was grainy film... but you have to pay for speed.


There were also colour films, really shity ones. I remember DS-4 (day light) and CLN-90 (bulb light). Much better was East German Orwocolor films. I got just excellent slides out of Orwochrome. This imported film was expensive but probably the only way to get good results in colour photography.

I never saw Kodak or Ilford film while soviet union existed. I heard someone was able to get Fomapan stuff... but it was not available for an average Ivan like me.

Cheers,
Eduard


Hi Eduard

Excellent comments on Soviet film! 😀

Most of the fast panchromatic emulsions had "extended red sensitivity"- meaning they were faster in tungsten/artificial light than in blue daylight. The reason for doing this was that it was assumed that these films were going to be used indoors where lighting is mostly from yellow/red-rich lamps. There used to be different grades of panchromatic sensitivity amongst Western films- there had been type A, B, and C ratings, each rating corresponded to the amount of sensitivity to the red end of the spectrum. For a time Kodak Tri-X was type C (not too sure about this) and had more sensitivity to red.

As for Soviet colour film, I'm really interested in knowing how good/bad they were.
A Russian friend gave me a book, "Физические И Химические Основы Цветной Фотографии" which contains all sorts of data about Soviet Colour films for still cameras, motion pictures, and their processing. There is a lot about colour theory there as well. Even bourgeois films like Kodak, Sakura(nee Konica), Fuji, as well as comrades like Fortecolor, Fomacolor, and Efkecolor are there.

In one 1980s Soviet movie I saw recently on DVD, ("Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears"), the end credits stated that it was shot in Svemacolor and Tasmacolor.
The colours looked fine and resembled European movies shot on 1970s Agfacolor. Hues were a bit pastel, but nonetheless looked fine. Perhaps I saw a 'restored' version where digital took over where the original Svemacolor faltered? Or was there an 'Industrial' grade Svemacolor which was reserved for special features and for movies meant for international release? 🙂

Jay
 
Color Svema was usable for motion picture production but often suffered from quality control issues. It's shelf life was also really short. Film directors tried to secure Kodak if possible: it was purchased for hard currency in limited amounts and distributed for high-profile projects. Tarkovski was able to film Solaris on Kodak, but even he was provided with really tight amount: his operators had to get the scenes right at first attempt most of the time.

Same for still color production. In 1970s-1980s pro photographers were issued Kodachrome on allowance of 1.5 frames per scene, meaning that you couldn't even bracket. Soviet color transparency (DO-32 I think) was considered unsuitable to requirements of professional still photography.
 
Jay,
Soviet colour film was really bad. I can't tell you much as I shot just few rolls to understand I don't need all kinds of hassles with development and printing colour at home; I don't need colour at all because it was rather obstacle for me to get a good picture... Sometimes I was so exited with colour spots that missed shapes, idea or expression myself, if you want. German ORWO was significantly better, and it was not always on the shelves in photo stores. I never saw western or Japanese film in photo stores, though Kharkov is not as big city as Kiev or Moscow where it could be different (I doubt though). I'm giving a picture from amateur's point of view. I didn't contact much with pros and never been in that business. Varjag already gave some valuable input (BTW, welcome Varjag to the western world).
What I missed from my review, there was also reversible b&w film which I never tried and sometimes there was MZ-3L (fast as good photopapier) film in stores. I don't know if amateurs really used this film; it was designated for microfilming.

Eduard.
 
Hi Eugene & Eduard

I've read Andrej Tarkovski's "Solaris" story somewhere before. He had said that Soviet colour motion picture films were often unreliable that they sometimes had to paint grass green to make it appear right when seen on the screen. 🙂 I've seen some excellent BW Soviet films like "Cranes are Flying" and "A Soldier's Ballad". One series on Discovery showed a 1940s Soviet parade which was shot on the first Soviet colour film- commissioned by Stalin. And there was also
a short dream sequence in "Ivan the Terrible, part II" in colour- shot supposedly on captured Agfacolor.

When I was still in school, we used to borrow some information reels from the Soviet cultural mission here (it ceased to exist when the USSR dissolved). In one reel about "Izvestia", the 16mm film had "Kodak" and "ORWO" markings on its edges- Kodak for the negative, and ORWO for the release print. That conforms with what Eugene said about professionals using imported film stocks.

One of my school mates was able to get a grant from the USSR embassy to study cinematography in Moscow. Too bad I missed that 🙁. He said that the only film they could get for colour snapshots were ORWOcolor- and it took about 2 weeks to have their pictures developed and printed.

Jay
 
Just adding to this old thread as I was researching old Soviet films and the GOST scale.
From Wikipedia entry on Svema:
Before 1987
Svema 65 film
▪ Svema Foto 32; 32 GOST, ISO 40/17°
▪ Svema Foto 65; 65 GOST, ISO 80/20°; sheet films 6.5×9*cm - 30×40*cm, KB, 6×9", bulk
▪ Svema Foto 130; 130 GOST, ISO 160/23°; KB, bulk
▪ Svema Foto 250; 250 GOST, ISO 320/26° (Daylight); 350 GOST, ISO 400/27° (Tungsten); KB, bulk
1987-1990
(new GOST speed scale, same as ASA)
Black-and-white 135 film, GOST/ISO 64.
▪ Svema Foto 32; ISO 32/16°
▪ Svema Foto 64; ISO 64/19°
▪ Svema Foto 125; ISO 125/22°
▪ Svema Foto 250; ISO 250/25° (Daylight); ISO 320/26° (Tungsten)
▪ Svema Reporter; 200 GOST, ISO 200/24° (actually cinematographic filmstock); KB, bulk
After 1990
(ISO speed scale)
▪ Svema Foto 50; ISO 50/18°
▪ Svema Foto 100; ISO 100/21°; KB, 6×9", bulk
▪ Svema Foto 200; ISO 200/24°; KB, bulk
▪ Svema Foto 400; ISO 400/27°; KB, bulk
The plant's production of photographic products slowed through the 1990s and ceased entirely in 2000. Svema shut down completely in 2006, having served only as a district heating source for the town of Shostka in the intervening years.
Additionally, when Svema shut down, their equipment was taken over by the Ukrainian company Astrum:
Astrum is a photographic supplies company located in Ukraine and established in 1995. It operates equipment once used by Svema to produce similar product lines.

Black and White film
* ФН-64 (FN-64), ISO 64/19°
* Фoto-100 (Foto-100), ISO 100/21°
* Фoto-200 (Foto-200), ISO 200/24°
* Фoto-400 (Foto-400), ISO 400/27°
* МЗ-3 (MZ-3), ISO 3/6°
* А-2Ш (A-2SH), ISO 400/27°
* НК-2Ш (NK-2), ISO 100/21°
 
some illustrations -

wicked smile restructuring (perestroika, gorby)
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soviet slide ЦО (1990)
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Svema DS100 - perhaps watering with fuji components or repacking 2002 (2015-2016)
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In the late 1980s, before the communist governments fell, my future wife visited Prague. I asked her to bring back a roll of film for me to put on my photo display shelf (just one shelf back then). She returned with a roll of Kodak Gold 100 and a small portfolio of several official-looking papers bearing multiple government stamps -- it had taken her the better part of a day to get permission from Communist authorities for a foreigner to buy film, then had to visit two separate administrative offices in the city to get the stamps and approval letters. This also garnered her surveillance by a plainclothes security detail for the rest of the day.

Wow! They must have been afraid she was going to steal Russian nuclear secrets by taking Russian Panatomic-X out of the country!
 
Wow! They must have been afraid she was going to steal Russian nuclear secrets by taking Russian Panatomic-X out of the country!
*menacing voice* you know our secret now, so we will send out some komrades with licenze to kill 🙂
Joking.
Anyway, we never had panatomic film. We had codes like FN64, meaning mundane film negative asa 64.
 
nominal value - 16 ISO, residual at the moment - 16 ISO


nominal value - 90 ISO, residual at the moment - 50 ISO


residual at the moment - 0 ISO


residual at the moment - 8 ISO ortohrom


nominal value - 250 ISO, residual at the moment - 0 ISO


nominal value - 250 ISO, residual at the moment - 8 ISO


residual at the moment - 0 ISO


nominal value - 35 ISO, residual at the moment - 11-16 ISO


residual at the moment - 16 ISO
 
https://filmphotographyproject.com/


Has short loads of all kinds of esoteric emulsions, including Svema and Tasma. Haven't shot the Tasma 100 yet but Svema has a very thin base and I had a bit of trouble getting it in to the spiral. Always fun to try something different. Check in on them, they also once had Plus-X from who knows where. It didn't last very long.
 
No Svema as businesses, as organizations it's not on the site of the former location. What is sold under the guise of Svema - aerial film of unknown origin, a slim base - type as avifot.
 
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