JohnTF
Veteran
Go to a Camera Show, watch what people bring in to sell and hear what they are offered for almost any older, or even not so old, camera, and pick up the leavings-- if nothing else, it will be good experience and "the one" very well might come along.
Second option: http://store.petapixel.com/products/Leica-Look%2dAlike-Skin-for-the-iPhone-4.html ;-) I am tempted.
Also, there are a lot of really very nice fixed lens RF's, sometimes for pocket change.
Unless your situation is dire, don't sell the M6 if it is the camera you want.
It seems as if almost every FSU camera I have bought, and I have bought many, have needed fiddling or repair to make it a camera with relatively poor ergonomics, and with the time and money invested I think it is a small step from there to a Bessa R or better.
The time spent to obtain and make reliable a FSU might be better spent at some pick up job to pay for something that is modern in design.
If you pm me, I might find a cla'd Canon fixed lens, well, I know I have it, question is, can I find it. ;-)
Regards, John
Second option: http://store.petapixel.com/products/Leica-Look%2dAlike-Skin-for-the-iPhone-4.html ;-) I am tempted.
Also, there are a lot of really very nice fixed lens RF's, sometimes for pocket change.
Unless your situation is dire, don't sell the M6 if it is the camera you want.
It seems as if almost every FSU camera I have bought, and I have bought many, have needed fiddling or repair to make it a camera with relatively poor ergonomics, and with the time and money invested I think it is a small step from there to a Bessa R or better.
The time spent to obtain and make reliable a FSU might be better spent at some pick up job to pay for something that is modern in design.
If you pm me, I might find a cla'd Canon fixed lens, well, I know I have it, question is, can I find it. ;-)
Regards, John
bobby_novatron
Photon Collector
Do you want interchangeable lenses? Metering? Fixed lens with fast glass?
I second the Olympus OM-series of cameras -- they're as small as Leica, they're well-built, and the OM Zuiko lenses are fantastic. Great bang for the buck.
If you don't mind having a fixed lens, then I'd go with an Olympus 35SP or Olympus 35RC ... the Canon QL-17 is good as well, although prices on those have been climbing lately.
A final suggestion: something like a Konica S2 rangefinder would be a nice option. Doesn't have the caché of the other cameras, but it has CdS metering, auto exposure, manual override, and an excellent lens. They're cheap as well, typically not more than $60 in A+ condition.
I second the Olympus OM-series of cameras -- they're as small as Leica, they're well-built, and the OM Zuiko lenses are fantastic. Great bang for the buck.
If you don't mind having a fixed lens, then I'd go with an Olympus 35SP or Olympus 35RC ... the Canon QL-17 is good as well, although prices on those have been climbing lately.
A final suggestion: something like a Konica S2 rangefinder would be a nice option. Doesn't have the caché of the other cameras, but it has CdS metering, auto exposure, manual override, and an excellent lens. They're cheap as well, typically not more than $60 in A+ condition.
Ruhayat
Well-known
Fixed lens rangefinders are plentiful, but it depends also on what lens the OP is used to shooting. Most fixed lens RF cameras come with 40mm, 42mm or 45mm, and mainly f1.7-f1.9. There are a handful with 28mm. 35mm are harder to come by, in my experience.
The choice extends to size of the camera, too. For an M6 equivalent size (but lighter), there's the Yashica Electro series. Superb clarity, meter and sharpness. This series are typically 45mm f1.9 lens.
For the smallest, pocketable models, you can choose one of almost any Olympus 35 series except the harder to find 35SP (which is about the size of Canonets). Image quality is not as crisp as the Yashica and they are contrastier, in my experience, and the small size plus the focus ring that is too close to the body makes it an ergonomic nightmare. This series are typically 40-42mm f2.8 lens.
In between - and just nice in terms of size and weight, in my experience - are the Canonet series. Appreciably smaller than the Electros, but more ergonomic than the Olympus 35's. The QL17 is 40mm/1.7, the QL19 is 45mm/1.9.
The choice extends to size of the camera, too. For an M6 equivalent size (but lighter), there's the Yashica Electro series. Superb clarity, meter and sharpness. This series are typically 45mm f1.9 lens.
For the smallest, pocketable models, you can choose one of almost any Olympus 35 series except the harder to find 35SP (which is about the size of Canonets). Image quality is not as crisp as the Yashica and they are contrastier, in my experience, and the small size plus the focus ring that is too close to the body makes it an ergonomic nightmare. This series are typically 40-42mm f2.8 lens.
In between - and just nice in terms of size and weight, in my experience - are the Canonet series. Appreciably smaller than the Electros, but more ergonomic than the Olympus 35's. The QL17 is 40mm/1.7, the QL19 is 45mm/1.9.
dubes
Member
A Nikon F3 + 50mm f1.4 should be well within your budget. F3's are cheap and plentiful because Nikon made then for so many years. And the size and weight (especially with the DP-2 finder) are very comparable to an M6 + 50 'lux.
Fuchs
Well-known
+1 for a Nikon F3 with non-HP finder
bobkonos
Well-known
Well, there's the Bessa R in the classifieds right now. Or a Canon rangefinder with one of their great 50 lenses. Or a Nikon FM with a Nikkor 50mm and the Nikkor 24mm f2.8.
Brian Legge
Veteran
I was a Nikon SLR shooter before switching to rangefinders.
If I was looking for a film SLR system I'd go with the OM line now that I've handled one. I might stick with Nikon if I wanted to shoot digital as well though with M4/3 compatibility with all sorts of lens lines..
If I was looking for a film SLR system I'd go with the OM line now that I've handled one. I might stick with Nikon if I wanted to shoot digital as well though with M4/3 compatibility with all sorts of lens lines..
paulfish4570
Veteran
compact: om-1 or 1n and zuiko 50/1.8 and maybe a zuiko 28/2.8.
bit bigger: nikon fm2 or fe2 and nikkor 50/2.
and a bit bigger: f2a and 50/2.
bit bigger: nikon fm2 or fe2 and nikkor 50/2.
and a bit bigger: f2a and 50/2.
Beemermark
Veteran
I don't see this as being much cheaper than the M6 body.I second the CL + M-Rokkor 40/2. Great set up, cheap, and very small.
Canon LTM RF go cheap enough and they are good cameras. Many of the non-interchangeable lens RF like the Olympus SP, Canon QL17, etc are great cameras for less than $100. Almost any reputable camera repair store can do a CLA for less than $100 (I've sent a couple in for repair) and then for less than $200 you have a great camera.
I don't see this as being much cheaper than the M6 body
They go for under $500 as a pair routinely on ebay.
shiro_kuro
Charles Bowen
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KONICA S3
Olympus 35 RD
ColSebastianMoran
( IRL Richard Karash )
So, what lens have you been shooting? What would you like to shoot? That might bring in or knock out many suggestions.
Dirk
Privatier
Pentax ME Super or, if you like manual only, the MX. The ME Super is even smaller and lighter than the OM-2, and has an even quieter shutter.
Steve M.
Veteran
I'm still kicking myself for selling my Bessa R2a w/ CLA'd 50 Summar. That was a fantastic shooter. The camera's AE was made for shooting early Leica LTM lenses. Very fast to use, IQ like you would not believe. But I'm enjoying shooting portraits w/ SLR's now, so a change was good.
Jobin
Established
Sold my user m6 and bought a real user m2 for $600.
eugenelipczyk
Newbie
So, what lens have you been shooting? What would you like to shoot? That might bring in or knock out many suggestions.
I have been shooting with a 35mm Summicron, my only other camera is a GR1s which is great but thinking about getting an SLR with a 35 or maybe go a 50.
helen.HH
To Light & Love ...
OM1 ...yeah !
ampguy
Veteran
Nikon F3, with a handful of non AI and AI lenses. Best bang for the buck.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
OM1 ...yeah !
You're so sensible Helen! (most of the time) :angel:
I do have to wonder when the OM bubble will burst ... maybe never?
I was just having a quick scan of eBay and picking up an OM-1 for under $50.00 is a cinch .... add the CLA with John Hermanson, a 50mm f1.8 'lenscap' and you have perfection IMO.
All for around $200.00 ...... !
kknox
kknox
I know this might sound funny but, I had no money & picked up a Pentax SP mint w/50 1.4 Takumar for $100.00 at pawn shop. The SP is all mechanical, size & feel is close to an M camera in weight. If the meter works like mine thats a bonus, very well made & cheap these days. Has a nice winder, and the glass is great.
I have taken some great shots with mine.
I have taken some great shots with mine.
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