Several new cheap LF cameras

[Roger Hicks]

Yes. I am currently shooting an 8x10 pinhole camera and the film holders are killing me in price. :bang:

Dear Rick,

Quite. But why should they cost so much? They're simple enough to make. Just ask Steve...

Cheers,

R.

 

[Skiff]

Sorry, but I have to correct myself (I've also added the correction in my posting above):
Intrepid has already 7 (!) fulltime workers and is producing the cameras in large batches.
Here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHX_zmEMMw

They plan further products and company growth.

 

[Roger Hicks]

Would love to get me a large format camera and change things up.

Dear Michael,

But DON'T waste time with 4x5 inch. Go for something big enough to give you a decent contact print. My favourite is 5x7 inch/ 13x18 cm/ half plate, all of which fit in holders with the same external dimensions (i.e. fit the same cameras).

Cheers,

R.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Are hipsters even a thing anymore...

I'm not involved deep with the movement, but every time I photowalk on Queen street in Toronto I see it busy with personages exactly like these:
http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/episodes/season-25/hipster-chef-meal-delivery

They are so abundant where, I'm not considering them as interesting people to photograph anymore. I see them as common folks.

In fact, then I switched to film, one ex weddings, studio photog, business owner and PJ from film only era called me as hipster. But my beard isn't this long, yet. 🙂

 

[Roger Hicks]

i’m hoping for cheap ultra large format cameras: 7x17, 11x14, 16x20, 20x24. throw in whole plate while we’re at it. now that would be exciting.

Again, the price of film holders is the killer. Actually, so is the price of film. Then there's processing. My biggest camera is only 12x15 inch but it's a swine to handle, a bit like wet (and possibly live) fish.

Whole plate is only 6.5 x 8.5 inches, though: hardly ULF.

Cheers,

R.

 

[johannielscom]

Are hipsters even a thing anymore... and what is wrong with people making new cameras?

Hipsters still being a thing: I dunno I'm not a hipster.

And it's more that I wonder, what is wrong with people making ugly new cameras?
😀

 

[Roger Hicks]

Hipsters still being a thing: I dunno I'm not a hipster.

And it's more that I wonder, what is wrong with people making ugly new cameras?
😀

Or, to reverse the question, what is the advantage of people making ugly new cameras?

Personally I prefer my cameras to look like cameras and not Tonka toys, but hey, as long as people buy film to put in these cameras, I'm in favour.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Skiff]

Sorry, but I have to correct myself (I've also added the correction in my posting above):
Intrepid has already 7 (!) fulltime workers and is producing the cameras in large batches.
Here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHX_zmEMMw

They plan further products and company growth.

I've done a bit more research:
The team at Intrepid Camera is really very active: They will start also a film shop soon and even offer Fujichrome Velvia 50 in 4x5 sheets! As this outstanding film is currently only available in Japan in 4x5, this is really excellent news!
Here is the announcement:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl7739glNTh/?taken-by=intrepidcameraco

 

[jsrockit]

I'm not involved deep with the movement, but every time I photowalk on Queen street in Toronto I see it busy with personages exactly like these:
http://www.cbc.ca/22minutes/episodes/season-25/hipster-chef-meal-delivery

They are so abundant where, I'm not considering them as interesting people to photograph anymore. I see them as common folks.

In fact, then I switched to film, one ex weddings, studio photog, business owner and PJ from film only era called me as hipster. But my beard isn't this long, yet. 🙂

Yeah, I guess I meant... is making fun of hipsters a thing anymore.

 

[Roger Hicks]

I've done a bit more research:
The team at Intrepid Camera is really very active: They will start also a film shop soon and even offer Fujichrome Velvia 50 in 4x5 sheets! As this outstanding film is currently only available in Japan in 4x5, this is really excellent news!
Here is the announcement:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl7739glNTh/?taken-by=intrepidcameraco

Processing's going to be a bit of a bugger, though. I still have my Nova hand line but I'm not sure where else I could get 5x4 E6 processed within 200 miles.

Cheers,

R.

 

[Skiff]

Processing's going to be a bit of a bugger, though. I still have my Nova hand line but I'm not sure where else I could get 5x4 E6 processed within 200 miles.

Cheers,

R.

There are several very good options:
1. DIY.
It is extremely easy and very cheap using a JOBO processor (e.g. an older, used CPE-2(+) or the new CPE-3) and a Fuji, Tetenal or Bellini E6 home kit.
I do E6 by myself at home with a JOBO and it is even easier than doing perfect BW developing. And the costs are negligible.

2. Lab:
France: AFAIK here are also some French labs listed:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137289

Or send to one of the best European E6 labs: They deliver perfect quality (outstanding QC and dip-and-dunk Refrema processing with two-bath fix), and are very fast (because they develop more than 100 E6 films every day, and send back the same day they've got the film).
The price is also quite low. And they do international business (and inside EU it is even much easier).
https://www.photostudio13.de/

 

[Roger Hicks]

There are several very good options:
1. DIY.
It is extremely easy and very cheap using a JOBO processor (e.g. an older, used CPE-2(+) or the new CPE-3) and a Fuji, Tetenal or Bellini E6 home kit.
I do E6 by myself at home with a JOBO and it is even easier than doing perfect BW developing. And the costs are negligible.

2. Lab:
France: AFAIK here are also some French labs listed:
https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137289

Or send to one of the best European E6 labs: They deliver perfect quality (outstanding QC and dip-and-dunk Refrema processing with two-bath fix), and are very fast (because they develop more than 100 E6 films every day, and send back the same day they've got the film).
The price is also quite low. And they do international business (and inside EU it is even much easier).
https://www.photostudio13.de/

Yeah. I'm a bit over 200 miles from Paris and I have my own E6 hand line. As I say, on the basis of experience, processing is going to be a bit of a bugger.

Your point was?

Cheers,

R.

 

[Skiff]

Yeah. I'm a bit over 200 miles from Paris and I have my own E6 hand line. As I say, on the basis of experience, processing is going to be a bit of a bugger.

Your point was?

Cheers,

R.

Sorry, my understanding was that you are looking for options to get your E6 4x5 sheets developed.
But if you have your own E6 line at home you're of course fine.
By the way, Tetenal has said that they will add a 1L kit to the current 2.5L kit this autumn.
So even more choices for E6 home kits in the future.

 

[Roger Hicks]

Sorry, my understanding was that you are looking for options to get your E6 4x5 sheets developed.
But if you have your own E6 line at home you're of course fine.
By the way, Tetenal has said that they will add a 1L kit to the current 2.5L kit this autumn.
So even more choices for E6 home kits in the future.

Sorry I didn't make myself clearer.

Cheers,

R.

 

[aizan]

Again, the price of film holders is the killer. Actually, so is the price of film. Then there's processing. My biggest camera is only 12x15 inch but it's a swine to handle, a bit like wet (and possibly live) fish.

Whole plate is only 6.5 x 8.5 inches, though: hardly ULF.

Cheers,

R.

I just threw in whole plate because I think it should be more widespread.

Chamonix film holders are high quality and well priced. A 16x20 film holder for $695 USD is reasonably accessible if you asked me.

Processing slide and color negative would be difficult, but you can't get either type of film in ultra large format anyways, so that's not a problem! Processing B&W in drums is a walk in the park comparatively.

The main bottleneck is the price and availability of cameras. There's a $5.6k Chamonix 16x20 on the auction site right now. That's a bit of a stretch. Maybe someone would like to trade in their Leica M10 for that.

 

[Roger Hicks]

I just threw in whole plate because I think it should be more widespread.

Chamonix film holders are high quality and well priced. A 16x20 film holder for $695 USD is reasonably accessible if you asked me.

Processing slide and color negative would be difficult, but you can't get either type of film in ultra large format anyways, so that's not a problem! Processing B&W in drums is a walk in the park comparatively.

The main bottleneck is the price and availability of cameras. There's a $5.6k Chamonix 16x20 on the auction site right now. That's a bit of a stretch. Maybe someone would like to trade in their Leica M10 for that.

Or, as I said, a 3X enlargement off 56x72mm...

Also, I think that $695 for ONE film holder might deter quite a lot of people.

Cheers,

R.

 

[HHPhoto]

I opened all four links. Only one of them has price tag clearly visible and normal shop page.
Another three is too new way of buying to me. I was not able to find the price.
OP is superior on skills to determine that all four are cheap.

Hi Kostja,

Intrepid Camera has a regular website with shop and prices. See my original posting.
Chroma LF Camera: Has been a kickstarter project recently. Here are the prices:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1794420225/chroma-the-unique-4x5-technical-camera

The Standard 4x5 LF Camera: Also a Kickstarter project, but current, see prices:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/144867732/the-standard-4x5-a-3d-printed-4x5-view-camera?lang=de

And the prices for the last one, Cameradactyl 4x5:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/416154634/cameradactyl-4x5-field-camera?lang=de

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

And it's more that I wonder, what is wrong with people making ugly new cameras?
😀

It's all a matter of taste, but I think the Intrepid, the Chroma and the Standard 4x5 are not at all ugly cameras.
Well, Cameradactyl 4x5 is probably a different case......😉.

Cheers, Jan

 

[HHPhoto]

Sorry, but I have to correct myself (I've also added the correction in my posting above):
Intrepid has already 7 (!) fulltime workers and is producing the cameras in large batches.
Here is a video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLHX_zmEMMw

They plan further products and company growth.

Thanks for that very interesting video.
Lots of new information for me.
A workforce of 7 workers after not even 3 years in operation. That's impressive.
To be profitable with such a workforce and at that given very low price level they probably have to sell more than 1.500 cameras p.a. in the future.
That is really a huge amount for Large Format!

Cheers, Jan

 

[jsrockit]

Sounds like someone needs to start a Kickstarter for affordable film holders...