Shortest path to a T* lens

alcaraban said:
Maybe the cheapest way of tasting T* is 1,7/50 with a Yashica body, they are widely available.

Sooo, what do you think of my setup? :D

See it in the first post of this thread.
 
shadowfox said:
Sooo, what do you think of my setup?

I absolutely love it! The FR-I is a near perfect body, has DOF preview, manual settings, accurate AE exposure for slides, ... if it pre-fires the mirror when using the self timer like my fx-3, it only would lack AE lock and TTL Flash.

But the Contax bodies with all these features are far more expensive (my 139Q, for instance, has TTL flash and AE lock but doesn't pre fire the mirror).
 
alcaraban said:
I absolutely love it! The FR-I is a near perfect body, has DOF preview, manual settings, accurate AE exposure for slides, ... if it pre-fires the mirror when using the self timer like my fx-3, it only would lack AE lock and TTL Flash.

But the Contax bodies with all these features are far more expensive (my 139Q, for instance, has TTL flash and AE lock but doesn't pre fire the mirror).

True. But although I never did anything even remotely scientific, emperically I would say the 139Q must have had a very well damped mirror as I never noticed any problems with mirror slap.
 
shadowfox said:
Sooo, what do you think of my setup? :D

See it in the first post of this thread.

It's a fine setup! I also started with a Yashica and this lens. It IS a very strong performer, and totally underpriced at the moment ;). Meanwhile i prefer my Contax 139Q more than every other SLR except my old Nikon F3. The 139Q is a neat small silent gear with everything you need. Also underpriced... (Have two of them and two 137...)
 
I have a digital point and shoot, Panasonic FX-9 with a Zeiss lens. I am waiting for the day when Zeiss comes out with a ZF 28/2.8 or ZF 28/2.0 to put on my F3HP. That would be just awesome, a ZF 28 on F3HP, a killer combo! :D

Cheers
MArk
Quito, EC
 
Axel, I am not keen on a ZF 25/2.8, I know that would be a killer combo, but a I am more and more of a 28 guy. I would have to sell my Nikon 85/1.4 for the 25. I will wait for a ZF 28 if one ever comes.

Steamer, oooops, your are right, it is a Leica lens on the Panasonic FX-9 :)

Cheers
MArk
Quito, EC
 
A couple years ago I wanted a fast 21mm lens, and the best fast one at reasonable cost was the Biogon-G. So I bought the lens BGN condition from KEH, and a Contax G1 to put it on (which had problems so was replaced by a G2). It's certainly a wonderful 21mm lens.
 
shadowfox said:
Ok, y'all made me curious about this 139Q.

Pictures of and from this camera, please!
Sorry, I haven't any pictures of the camera, only from:

With Distagon 2,8/35:
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6283124-md.jpg

With Planar 1,7/50:
http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5107840/jarron.jpg
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5803185-lg.jpg

And I agree with oftheherd about mirror: last picture was taken at 1/15 sec. on a rather crappy tripod.

This guy has some nice pictures of the camera, and you can see its size in comparison with a lumix fz20.
http://www.lumixclub.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=camara&page=10&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=on&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=58
 

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alcabran, those are some very nice shots, my favorite is the anvil and hammer. Very surreal.

What I noticed on the shots from the Zeiss T* glasses is that there are "layers" of out-of-focuss-ness. There's the sharp foreground, semi-soft (but still very recognizable) middle layer, and the totally soft background. I didn't see this characteristics on any other lenses.

alcaraban said:
Sorry, I haven't any pictures of the camera, only from:

With Distagon 2,8/35:
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/6283124-md.jpg

With Planar 1,7/50:
http://photo.net/general-comments/attachment/5107840/jarron.jpg
http://gallery.photo.net/photo/5803185-lg.jpg

And I agree with oftheherd about mirror: last picture was taken at 1/15 sec. on a rather crappy tripod.

This guy has some nice pictures of the camera, and you can see its size in comparison with a lumix fz20.
http://www.lumixclub.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=camara&page=10&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=on&ss=on&sc=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=58
 
shadowfox said:
alcabran, those are some very nice shots, my favorite is the anvil and hammer. Very surreal.

What I noticed on the shots from the Zeiss T* glasses is that there are "layers" of out-of-focuss-ness. There's the sharp foreground, semi-soft (but still very recognizable) middle layer, and the totally soft background. I didn't see this characteristics on any other lenses.

There is some quality in that glasses that renders great defocused areas. When you realize it you suddenly prefer to shoot portraits at f/5.6 instead of f/2 just for that beautiful backgrounds, which gives a special character to many pictures. It's not a matter of sharpness, contrast or colour, even if that lenses are first class in these respects, too.

I don't know of any other brand that exhibits the same characteristic, at least the Minolta, Pentax, Nikon and third party lenses that I've tried (which otherwise are of excellent quality).

Oh, and thank you for your kind words. I'm happy that you like my shots.
 
Contax T2 baby! ;)

I haven't used the camera in years. I really should. Maybe I'll throw it in my bag for my trip this month. Why not!
 
shadowfox said:
What I noticed on the shots from the Zeiss T* glasses is that there are "layers" of out-of-focuss-ness. There's the sharp foreground, semi-soft (but still very recognizable) middle layer, and the totally soft background. I didn't see this characteristics on any other lenses.

This is what we call its bokeh characteristic; while many people only look at specular highlights in out of focus areas, I consider the "transition" from being in focus to out of focus a most critical attribute. Zeiss lenses, be they Jena of Oberkochen, seem to have the upper-hand in this respect. Among Japnese lenses I have used extensively I think Minolta manual-focus lenses are top of the class, while Nikon (and for that matter, Topcon) perform poorly, with a tendency towards nisen and complex bokeh.
 
Seele said:
This is what we call its bokeh characteristic; while many people only look at specular highlights in out of focus areas, I consider the "transition" from being in focus to out of focus a most critical attribute. Zeiss lenses, be they Jena of Oberkochen, seem to have the upper-hand in this respect. Among Japnese lenses I have used extensively I think Minolta manual-focus lenses are top of the class, while Nikon (and for that matter, Topcon) perform poorly, with a tendency towards nisen and complex bokeh.
from my observation, zeiss lenses' oof transition are pretty smooth.... close to minolta's legendary 135mm STF....aka "king of bokeh"....
 
kross said:
from my observation, zeiss lenses' oof transition are pretty smooth.... close to minolta's legendary 135mm STF....aka "king of bokeh"....

Both Jena and Oberkochen lenses are generally very good in that respect; but then a fair proportion of European makers are good too. One somewhat underrated maker is Hugo Meyer and most of their lenses are very pleasant.
 
I have one of the new Zeiss ZF Planar 1.4/50 on my Nikon F3-P. Nice lens, but I need to get used to the Zeiss fingerprint. The mid-tones seem thin...

Also looking at the ZF 2/35mm...

Both would be really nice on the new Nikon D3...
 
kross said:
from my observation, zeiss lenses' oof transition are pretty smooth.... close to minolta's legendary 135mm STF....aka "king of bokeh"....
I think I posted it elsewhere, but IMHO the worthy successor to that is the Zeiss Sonnar T* 135/f1.8 ZA in Minolta Maxxum/Sony Alpha mount. Lens information & sample pictures are available from Sony and PBase.

My primary "bokeh" lens is the Jena Sonnar 180/f2.8 mentioned above.

Philipp
 
Seele: What is nisen and complex bokeh? do you have a picture that can serve as an example?

Harry Lime: Can you expand a bit on "mid-tones" being thin? Could you provide a picture example also?

This thread has some interesting but heavy weight info in it. Thanks guys!
 
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