squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Not a film camera, and not a rangefinder--but this new compact digicam looks like the kind of thing RF fans like. Small, great lens (though not interchangeable), large sensor. (With Foveon technology, whatever the hell that is, but the digi crowd seems to like it.) For those of us who would like the image quality we associate with film cameras in a convenient digital package, this might be a nice thing to have. USD800, but it's a lot cheaper than an M8.
Is anyone thinking of giving it a try?
Is anyone thinking of giving it a try?
squirrel$$$bandit
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Fair enough...I'm new here, didn't realize there had been a lot of discussion. I'm certainly not up for one yet, esp. not before some decent reviews come out.
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Should someone be interested in knowing a bit more about the Foveon sensor in the DP1, here is an interesting article:
http://www.ddisoftware.com/sd14-5d/
The comparison is for the Sigma SD14, however the sensor inside the DP1 is identical (but with an improved engine)
Unfortunately the Foveon sensor is known for a less than stellar performace in very low light.
Still I am considering getting one, since it is the only way of getting an image quality comparable to a mid-range DSLR (or an M8), but in a shirt pocket size package.
http://www.ddisoftware.com/sd14-5d/
The comparison is for the Sigma SD14, however the sensor inside the DP1 is identical (but with an improved engine)
Unfortunately the Foveon sensor is known for a less than stellar performace in very low light.
Still I am considering getting one, since it is the only way of getting an image quality comparable to a mid-range DSLR (or an M8), but in a shirt pocket size package.
marke
Well-known
I've been watching this for some time, and I'll be very curious to see what the early adopters think of it. I'm looking for something to replace my Panasonic Lumix LX2.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Do you happen to know what the 35mm film equivalent is of that 28mm lens? This isn't a full-frame sensor, right?
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Do you happen to know what the 35mm film equivalent is of that 28mm lens? This isn't a full-frame sensor, right?
The lens is 16.5mm, which with the 1.7 crop factor of the Foveon X3 sensor, is equivalent to 28mm in 35mm terms
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Ah! I'm surprised to learn that...I like shooting at 28mm a great deal...
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Ha ha! Moved to Point-N-Shoot...somebody's not taking this camera seriously ;-)
fgianni
Trainee Amateur
Ha ha! Moved to Point-N-Shoot...somebody's not taking this camera seriously ;-)
Well, it hasn't got a red dot, that's a very serious handicap!
Revolucion Artistico
Established
Same here as many others, I'll let the reviews go up first. I was kind of shocked to see an ad in the new shutterbug mag for the DP1. That must mean they have a fairly serious release date in mind.
bmattock
Veteran
Same here as many others, I'll let the reviews go up first. I was kind of shocked to see an ad in the new shutterbug mag for the DP1. That must mean they have a fairly serious release date in mind.
It is released - at least in some places. In the USA, Amazon is taking pre-orders, and on eBay, some camera stores seem to have them.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGMA-DP1-FULL-...yZ107904QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Some enterprising soul outside the USA is selling them gray market at a huge mark up.
http://cgi.ebay.com/SIGMA-DP1-28mm-...yZ146258QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
So yeah, they're 'here' so to speak.
tensai
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squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
It's true that the pictures do seem to look excellent, at least in the camera's reported "sweet spots." And I admire the chutzpah of an $800 camera with a fixed lens.
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
bmattock
Veteran
Good god...even as a jpeg, the detail and color in this one is truly stunning.
I had not seen that one. It is very impressive.
tensai
Established
yeah, i think in good light the dp1 does very very good. the sensor as well as the lens. in low light the colours can be problematic (more than the noise). but i often like the feeling of these files just as much or more than what i used to get from the D200.
shooting wise it's not a compact dslr. the screen isn't so hot, the manual focus not that fast. but the files in the compact body are worth it to me. the lens is very sharp but with very nice bokeh.
so it's a bit like shooting with an autofocus 'rangefinder' like the contax g2 or the fuji ga645zi in that you do get autofocus but it's not the fastest around.
so you prepare for the shot beforehand. measure light when you walk into a scene, quickly set the aperture, shutterspeed and use manual focus or focuslock and walk around and do some shooting. it's very similar in that sense. and i'm looking forward to shooting with medium format film and the dp1 for some grab shots or things that you just want to remember but not waste film on.
shooting wise it's not a compact dslr. the screen isn't so hot, the manual focus not that fast. but the files in the compact body are worth it to me. the lens is very sharp but with very nice bokeh.
so it's a bit like shooting with an autofocus 'rangefinder' like the contax g2 or the fuji ga645zi in that you do get autofocus but it's not the fastest around.
so you prepare for the shot beforehand. measure light when you walk into a scene, quickly set the aperture, shutterspeed and use manual focus or focuslock and walk around and do some shooting. it's very similar in that sense. and i'm looking forward to shooting with medium format film and the dp1 for some grab shots or things that you just want to remember but not waste film on.
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tensai
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nice to check the depth of field and colours
http://flickr.com/photos/rytterfalk/2302803318/sizes/l/
and iso 800
http://flickr.com/photos/rytterfalk/2308018919/sizes/l/
i havent had the chance to shoot much yet but here are some snapshots:
http://flickr.com/photos/10721531@N06/page5/
http://flickr.com/photos/rytterfalk/2302803318/sizes/l/
and iso 800
http://flickr.com/photos/rytterfalk/2308018919/sizes/l/
i havent had the chance to shoot much yet but here are some snapshots:
http://flickr.com/photos/10721531@N06/page5/
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haagen_dazs
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Unfortunately the Foveon sensor is known for a less than stellar performace in very low light.
what is wrong at low light levels?
alot of noise in the image?
mangamonster
Established
Flickr has yet again convinced me to empty my pockets...I just preordered this camera at amazon...but dammmmm, many of the images i've seen are so good! Funny thing is that I was sooo against this camera based on the paper specs. I guess I was wrong.
few interesting shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/houdinifx/2317008760/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hitoshi/2313906466/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/saidk/2334879100/in/set-72157604092021476/
few interesting shots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/houdinifx/2317008760/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hitoshi/2313906466/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/saidk/2334879100/in/set-72157604092021476/
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jbf
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Technologically, I think its a great step forward.
As far as in use and practice I think its a bit silly. It has way too much DOF and is simply just a glorified point and shoot with basic manual controls. Great for taking a snapshot of something but IMO sucks for anything such as portraiture.
Give me a compact that has a faster prime lens (ability for smaller dof for say portraits) then I'll be impressed... otherwise I dont care. hah.
As far as in use and practice I think its a bit silly. It has way too much DOF and is simply just a glorified point and shoot with basic manual controls. Great for taking a snapshot of something but IMO sucks for anything such as portraiture.
Give me a compact that has a faster prime lens (ability for smaller dof for say portraits) then I'll be impressed... otherwise I dont care. hah.
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