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emraphoto
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Looks VERY interesting to this fella
jsrockit
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Now...with a grip...
and some other basic accessories: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/cameras/fp-series/accessories/
and some other basic accessories: https://www.sigma-global.com/en/cameras/fp-series/accessories/
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benlees
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For a 45mm 2.8 it's a behemoth lol; I'm sure [hope] there are other 'small' lenses in pipeline, but if you don't want 45mm then...
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
As much as this fascinates me it's not the Sigma I would want but according to rumour the full frame foveon is still in the wings if you can believe that. Aside from the diminutive size I don't see what the excitement is about. There is no damned viewfinder and no mechanical shutter so no real surprise it's so tiny because all we have is a sensor surrounded by a box of electronics backed up with an LCD screen and a lens mount on the front. I like to be able to put a camera up to my eye when I take a photograph and preferably not with that accessory viewfinder they offer ... with a longish lens you have the photographic equivalent of a bazooka with that thing on!
Hopefully they will bring out something that looks like the Quattro that does actually have a full frame foveon sensor that will handle like an actual camera. That said I wish them success with this because they are a clever company and definitely think outside the box.
Hopefully they will bring out something that looks like the Quattro that does actually have a full frame foveon sensor that will handle like an actual camera. That said I wish them success with this because they are a clever company and definitely think outside the box.
jsrockit
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I guess this is something that interests me for a few reasons. I've been thinking that 45mm is a perfect focal length for me. I've been wanting something small, but FF to go with my Fujis. The RX1R II was the only option and I don't like 35mm FOV. Also, I have some skin damage due to the bright sun here in Chile and on bright sunny days when I have to wear a hat... I keep hitting the brim of my hat with my camera when doing vertical shots (80% of my photos). A really nice LCD camera could do the trick. We will see. Rolling shutter?
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
It just another rare camera, which most will ignore, due to incapable battery and sluggish AF.
It is 400 + 200 weight to have AF. Nowhere near Sony RX1 weight. So, they not smallest FF camera.
With pinhole only.
It is 400 + 200 weight to have AF. Nowhere near Sony RX1 weight. So, they not smallest FF camera.
With pinhole only.
ptpdprinter
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I'm old fashioned. I like viewfinders unless I'm under a dark cloth. This new camera is of no interest to me. Small camera, big lenses. What's the point?
Samouraï
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Pretty cool looking, but wake me when the Foveon version is released.
benlees
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Sigma has an underdog quality that somehow is accentuated because they never quite get it right but don't give up. When you put Sigma into google search they don't come up first. For love or money...
drewbarb
picnic like it's 1999
I see all the complaints about this just being a tiny box with a sensor and a lens mount and little else, and you're right; but I think this is the POINT. It seems pretty clear that Sigma is thinking of this as a modular camera, with only the most essential parts built in so that the end users can set it up with the parts they need; so you're not paying for components you won't use (like a viewfinder or hotshoe if you're buying it to use as a video camera, or a big grip if you're going to put it on a tripod or into a steady cam rig, or microphones and sound ports if you're buying it to use as a stills camera, etc.)
This is what I was getting at with my comment above about this little box possibly representing the real flexibility that should be unlocked with modern digital camera design. If this thing offers truly excellent imaging from a top notch sensor and access to one fo the best and most versatile lens mounts out there, and everything else can be customized by the user for the exact purpose they intend, that could help keep waste, redundancy, and cost down. The argument that the box is too small to bother with if the lenses are huge is ignoring the modular intent. If you use this little box as the only part it is (sensor and lens mount) and put on the other parts you need for your purpose (as the promotional video clearly shows is their idea for this) then it's only as big as it needs to be; all the other parts get added to do what you need. Thinking about this primarily from the point of view of stills shooters, maybe this seems silly; but nobody building cameras these days (besides Leica...) thinks of these tools as only for stills. Video is, if not the primary purpose, at least needs to be a serious consideration. Have you folks looked at how video shooters set up their cameras these days? Especially pros are always using separate monitors, focusing rigs, microphones and other sound gear. From that context this design makes a lot of sense. That Sigma has also thought of using this is a stills camera, and provides add-ons for that is just icing to make this more appealing to those who might want to use a body like this for both stills and video.
Just my 2 cents. Anyway, as I said above, I look forward to more info. Once we see reviews, sample images, pricing and availability, battery life, etc. etc. etc. we can re-evaluate the purpose and the relative success of a this camera. But if they get it right, this could be a real winner for Sigma. Maybe it won't be for everyone, but if they implement this right, it could be an incredibly useful and versatile basis of a truly complete and wildly flexible shooting platform for lots of users.
This is what I was getting at with my comment above about this little box possibly representing the real flexibility that should be unlocked with modern digital camera design. If this thing offers truly excellent imaging from a top notch sensor and access to one fo the best and most versatile lens mounts out there, and everything else can be customized by the user for the exact purpose they intend, that could help keep waste, redundancy, and cost down. The argument that the box is too small to bother with if the lenses are huge is ignoring the modular intent. If you use this little box as the only part it is (sensor and lens mount) and put on the other parts you need for your purpose (as the promotional video clearly shows is their idea for this) then it's only as big as it needs to be; all the other parts get added to do what you need. Thinking about this primarily from the point of view of stills shooters, maybe this seems silly; but nobody building cameras these days (besides Leica...) thinks of these tools as only for stills. Video is, if not the primary purpose, at least needs to be a serious consideration. Have you folks looked at how video shooters set up their cameras these days? Especially pros are always using separate monitors, focusing rigs, microphones and other sound gear. From that context this design makes a lot of sense. That Sigma has also thought of using this is a stills camera, and provides add-ons for that is just icing to make this more appealing to those who might want to use a body like this for both stills and video.
Just my 2 cents. Anyway, as I said above, I look forward to more info. Once we see reviews, sample images, pricing and availability, battery life, etc. etc. etc. we can re-evaluate the purpose and the relative success of a this camera. But if they get it right, this could be a real winner for Sigma. Maybe it won't be for everyone, but if they implement this right, it could be an incredibly useful and versatile basis of a truly complete and wildly flexible shooting platform for lots of users.
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nlubis
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I like it. Looking forward for more details.
jsrockit
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Huh? You’ve tried it already to know how it performs? and I'm sure they mean lightest and smallest interchangeable lens mirrorless FF... which it surely is. But I don't expect anything but negativity from you anyway.
To me, lack of EVF, perhaps short battery life, rolling shutter, only one small lens, etc are fair points... but in a world of me too mirrorless cameras, I always commend Sigma for trying different ideas.
shawn
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Small camera and a lens mount that will allow almost any lens made to mount to it.
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jarski
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Sigma: shut up and take my money! 😛
edit: uh oh... I want my money back. thought this was Foveon camera 🙁
edit: uh oh... I want my money back. thought this was Foveon camera 🙁
farlymac
PF McFarland
One thing that struck me as I was watching that video with all the accessories presented was the size of the flash unit. It's almost three times the size of the camera body!
If it does come in at a decent price, I'd be sticking a 35mm Cron on the front, and let 'er rip!
PF
ps: I also like that fp is the reverse of my inititals, PF
If it does come in at a decent price, I'd be sticking a 35mm Cron on the front, and let 'er rip!
PF
ps: I also like that fp is the reverse of my inititals, PF
Archiver
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I sincerely hope that Sigma get this right. There are hints that they will, but some hints that it might be more cumbersome than useful.
- there's no EVF as yet, and the huge OVF clip on for the back is clunky as heck
- raw output for video is fantastic, but Cinema DNG is ludicrously large and will fill up your storage like nobody's business. Blackmagic have compressed raw as well as various flavours of ProRes, which is an industry standard for capture and editing, so hopefully Sigma will move in that direction.
- being able to adjust tone curves and Sigma's Fill Light in-camera is going to be amazing
- the modular design means that we'll see Smallrig et al make cages and everything for this very soon. Hopefully, third parties will make bolt-on grips and battery plates, maybe even a compact EVF
This is really, really appealing to me. My only concern is that it's a first generation Sigma product, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence given their track record for first gen iterations.
- there's no EVF as yet, and the huge OVF clip on for the back is clunky as heck
- raw output for video is fantastic, but Cinema DNG is ludicrously large and will fill up your storage like nobody's business. Blackmagic have compressed raw as well as various flavours of ProRes, which is an industry standard for capture and editing, so hopefully Sigma will move in that direction.
- being able to adjust tone curves and Sigma's Fill Light in-camera is going to be amazing
- the modular design means that we'll see Smallrig et al make cages and everything for this very soon. Hopefully, third parties will make bolt-on grips and battery plates, maybe even a compact EVF
This is really, really appealing to me. My only concern is that it's a first generation Sigma product, which doesn't inspire a lot of confidence given their track record for first gen iterations.
jsrockit
Moderator
Yep, I feel the same way...
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Cumbersome as in DP Merrill cumbersome? 😛
Those little DPMs are a serious photographic tool but they certainly challenge your patience! 😱
Archlich
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Not very portable, at the moment at the moment, with native lenses other than the 45/2.8.
The updated spec shows the camera to have a familiar 49-point contrast detect autofocus system. So it's Panasonic again.
The updated spec shows the camera to have a familiar 49-point contrast detect autofocus system. So it's Panasonic again.
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