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So, why isn't Canon 'cool?'...
each morning i ask the same question about myself?
each morning i ask the same question about myself?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I think you're cool Joe ... but you lost just a little coolness when you abandoned your lifelong commission as an RFF mod! lol
kuuan
loves old lenses
being flamboyantly cool like apple i find disturbingly uncool, Toyota and Microsoft rather unpretentious and cool
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I think you're cool Joe ... but you lost just a little coolness when you abandoned your lifelong commission as an RFF mod! lol
that new hat has gone to your head...(see what i did there?)
wakarimasen
Well-known
Dear wakarimasen,
Maybe the answer lies in the fact you seen to have a preference for Nikon and if that is so why would you need any justification for your choice?
Unless of course, you think it's the wrong one?
Keep what you like, but please don't become one of those serial switchers I see all the time on photo message boards.
Regards,
Tim Murphy
Harrisburg, PA
I fear I'm too mean to become a serial switcher. If you had said 'serial hoarder' we might have been in business... :bang:
p.giannakis
Pan Giannakis
I shot Canons for 10 years. Then sold some of them and replaced them with Minoltas. Then switched to numerous Pentaxes before Olympuses came along. A few years ago I acquired a number of Nikons.
Last year sold much of my gear. I kept 2 Canons (EOS-1n RS and EOS -5), two Nikons (F4s and F90s) and one Olympus OM-2n. I also have a Leica. I can't tell you which camera is cooler than which, all of them felt so cool to me.
Last year sold much of my gear. I kept 2 Canons (EOS-1n RS and EOS -5), two Nikons (F4s and F90s) and one Olympus OM-2n. I also have a Leica. I can't tell you which camera is cooler than which, all of them felt so cool to me.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Whatever brand, a DSLR is not really the best thing to shoot cine with - codec and format problems aside, they are a massive lump of useless (for the task) packaging around a sensor, and adding cine peripherals grows them into a unergonomic, fragile mess. People use them because they have nothing better, but hardly because they are desirable. I know of no cinematography student who'd pick a DSLR (of whatever brand) if he could also lay hands on dedicated video cameras like the Blackmagic PCC or up.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
A nice hypothesis, however only Nikon was part of the Mitsubishi keiretsu, while Canon was part of Fuyo. And nowdays that is quite irrelevant, the keiretsu system did not survive the Japanese economic crisis.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
No, no: this is sophistry and rhetoric. Wulfthari has told us so. He has also told us that he knows far more about camera history than the rest of us. Why shouldn't we believe him?
Cheers,
R.
Wulfthari
Well-known
I never claimed to know more about camera history than other people, this is what you people are claiming when you are trying to negate the historic importance of model like the Spotmatic or the Olympus OM-1 or...just write the camera you don't like here.
In this case the argument of stopped down metering is flawed as M42 doesn't allow to do that (unlike bayonet mounts) unless you use some tricks like the pin used of Fujicas, the electric connectors used by Pentacon or the modified mounting used later by Pentax that nevertheless creates some compatibility problem.
However this discussion has become silly, ad personam and off topic, therefore I disengage to "debate" with you any further, unsing Mar Twain's immortal words:
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"
nukecoke
⚛Yashica
I reckon Vietnam will be the next target to be bashed as a camera manufacturing country.
Is it true once upon a time Made in Japan was considered garbage and junk?
To OP: Nikon is considered to be "cooler", however most people use Canon. Just my observation.
I always pay attention to the camera brands I see at multiple places of interests in both Sweden and China. In Sweden it's occupied overwhelmingly by (Aps-C)Canon, while in China it's much more diverse, you could see more Olympus, Fuji, Sony, Nikon, and even Pentax
Roger Hicks
Veteran
And of course, George Carlin's — 'Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.'
I bow to your greater experience.
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
That was certainly the case as recently as the 1950s, when I was a small boy. But then, the same was true of Germany in the 19th century. In both cases I suspect that the perception arose chiefly from cheap toys, though in all fairness Soichiro Honda's first venture into making piston rings did not start well.
Cheers,
R.
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
That Nippon Kogaku supplied the lenses on early Canons is a good clue that both companies were at one time joined at the hip.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
Not really. It was (and is) quite common for manufacturers to buy in lenses from specialist lens manufacturers. Kodak, for example, used Rodenstock and Schneider lenses while Rollei used Zeiss and Schneider. I don't know whether there was any other relationship between Nippon Kogaku and Canon beyond buyer/supplier, but I certainly wouldn't treat the presence of one manufacturer's lenses on another's cameras as any sort of clue, let alone a good one, that they were "joined at the hip".
Cheers,
R.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
It is not that hard to read up that they were part of entirely different keiretsu (and before the war, different among the big four zaibatsu).
Kent
Finally at home...
Quite true.
And it not only the manufacturer, it' also the camera model.
Nikon generally is pretty cool to me, but then there are really cool models and those which aren't.
Nikkormat FT2 = cool!
Nikon F = cooool!
Nikon F3 = veeeery cooool!
Nikon F60 = kinda nice, but not cool at all...
etc.
Dralowid
Michael
Well, when I was younger I thought the Pellix was a very good idea and rather cool. Hmmm. I also thought the Canonflexes were cool. I was impressed by the thinking behind the Dial. Some of the movie cameras 814(?) were quite something. Being a Leica bloke I was never too sure about their rangefinder cameras (though I got on well with that Yashica/Nicca thing).
The Demi and the Canonet were not bad either. I could go on.
So I think I remember them being 'cool' in the 60s and perhaps early '70s which is, I guess, a little after the time when Japanese products were still looked down upon by those committed to Western European stuff.
Remember, Japanese stuff always came with a gold 'quality' sticker...Practicas didn't.
The Demi and the Canonet were not bad either. I could go on.
So I think I remember them being 'cool' in the 60s and perhaps early '70s which is, I guess, a little after the time when Japanese products were still looked down upon by those committed to Western European stuff.
Remember, Japanese stuff always came with a gold 'quality' sticker...Practicas didn't.
xayraa33
rangefinder user and fancier
I personally don't buy it, "Canikon" is more than a jab in the side and a good snicker and it happened many decades ago and still present even today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JstJAxtubEA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JstJAxtubEA
maggieo
More Deadly
Ever since the ubiquitous AE-1 in the 1980's, Canon has been the Toyota of cameras. They make excellent, mass-market photographic appliances, along with some stonking fantastic high-performance stuff, but the public knows them for the Camry of cameras, the Rebel.