So you thought the Nokton 35mm f1.2 RF lens was a lump!

[Speedfreak]

After several years reading this forum, I can confidently say that quite a few people do own several camera systems.

How many percent of the global photography market do you think are represented by RFF? 5? 3? 1? 0.1? 🙂

How many lenses does Voigtlander sell in a month? How many kit lenses (!) does Canon sell in a month? 🙂

 

[raid]

Congratulations on getting this super fast lens, Keith. Now show us results.

 

[ColSebastianMoran]

The equivalent in terms of angle of view and depth of field would be more like a 35mm 2.8 for Nikon FX.

You cant pick cherries when you start playing the "equivalent" game. 35mm f0.95 on FX it is not.

Anyway, looking forward to what the 17mm is capable of.

You are certainly correct that it's not 35mm f/0.95 on FX for DOF.

But, Speedfreak, wouldn't it be more like 35mm f/2.0 on FX? Both the focal length and the aperture-for-same-DOF change proportionally with sensor/film size.

And, Keith, looking forward to seeing some images.

 

[ChrisN]

How many percent of the global photography market do you think are represented by RFF? 5? 3? 1? 0.1? 🙂

How many lenses does Voigtlander sell in a month? How many kit lenses (!) does Canon sell in a month? 🙂

1. Not my problem. Is there a forum dedicated to poor photographers? Most forums I've visited seem to be populated with people enjoying good and often expensive equipment. Perhaps 99.9% of photography is discretionary and could be considered an unnecessary luxury.

2. Not my problem.

If you are looking to make people feel guilty about enjoying the fruits of their hard work and success, look elsewhere. 🙂

 

[Lss]

I'm not recomending this lens to anyone ... what I am saying is that it offers unique capabilities if you're prepared to pay the fare!

Is there more to that fare than price, size and weight?

 

[rxmd]

How many percent of the global photography market do you think are represented by RFF? 5? 3? 1? 0.1? 🙂

How many lenses does Voigtlander sell in a month? How many kit lenses (!) does Canon sell in a month? 🙂

Honestly, who cares? This thread is about how Keith is happy with a lens he's got. Telling everybody that the system doesn't offer the same resale value, or that Voigtländer doesn't sell enough of them because Canon is selling more kit lenses seems beside the point.

 

[Speedfreak]

If you are looking to make people feel guilty about enjoying the fruits of their hard work and success, look elsewhere. 🙂

Not at all. I was trying to reason why the 17mm 0.95 is a relative unpopular lens with hardly any reviews or sample pictures out there.

"making people feel guilty", that is your interpretation. It tells more about you than it does about me. Enjoy yourself.

 

[Speedfreak]

Honestly, who cares? This thread is about how Keith is happy with a lens he's got. Telling everybody that the system doesn't offer the same resale value, or that Voigtländer doesn't sell enough of them because Canon is selling more kit lenses seems beside the point.

It´s funny how you are compressing a full page of posts into one piece of nonsense and then complain about it. 😀

Like you I am looking forward to seeing some samples from this combo.

 

[gavinlg]

The equivalent in terms of angle of view and depth of field would be more like a 35mm 2.8 for Nikon FX.

Correction: DOF equivalent on FF would be an f1.8 35mm lens. Light gathering ability is still f.95 though - a full 2 stops more than an f2 lens.

 

[Keith]

As for the lens being unpopular ... it was nearly a six week wait to get one and I had to more or less put the money on the line first.

I thought long and hard about this lens and the OM-D itself because it's not a cheap option. My needs are fairly unique though and it now looks as though this may just be as good as I was hoping ... if it wasn't I was quite prepared to sell it and move on.

And go easy on Speedfreak ... I've taken no offence at anything he's said to date. 😀

 

[ChrisN]

Not at all. I was trying to reason why the 17mm 0.95 is a relative unpopular lens with hardly any reviews or sample pictures out there.

"making people feel guilty", that is your interpretation. It tells more about you than it does about me. Enjoy yourself.

Thank you. I do.

I think you've confused "unpopular" with "uncommon". How long ago did Voigtlander release the lens in this market? The importer seems to quickly sell what stock he can get. And an f/0.95 lens is never going to be a volume seller; most of us simply don't need that level of capability (with its attendant weight and bulk). Keith's work requires this capability, and we are all looking forward to seeing how it performs.

 

[robert blu]

I'm really curious to see the photos...
robert

 

[Tom A]

Tuulikki (my better half) has been using the 17,5 f0.95 since early this year. It is on her Lumix G1. Initially she was moaning about the weight and the fact that she had to focus and set aperture herself - but once she saw the result, she got to like it. I like it too - when I get a chance to try it. The 15 cm close focus is amazing - a 'semi" macro lens at f0.95!!!!

 

[CameraQuest]

I just got my Nokton 17.5mm f0.95 in the mail and was quite stunned at the weight when I unpacked it. Physically it's actually slightly larger than the 35mm f1.2 and it's also heavier at 573 grams ... the RF lens is 500 grams! Speed certainly comes at a price! 😱
😀

LOL. Sounds like you have never used a Noctilux f/1 or f/.095. both of those make both of the Noktons you mention look small and petite.

Not to mention the horrendously large and heavy 50/.95 SLR MAGIC lens.

Stephen

 

[Keith]

LOL. Sounds like you have never used a Noctilux f/1 or f/.095. both of those make both of the Noktons you mention look small and petite.

Not to mention the horrendously large and heavy 50/.95 SLR MAGIC lens.

Stephen

It's beautifully made I have to say ... a credit to Cosina and I never realised the lens had the option of stepless aperture adjustment! 😱

The focusing action is incredibly smooth and perfectly damped and I had little trouble focusing it fairly quickly wide open.

For what it is I don't think it's that expensive ... I think that there's a mindset that all micro four thirds stuff should be cheap!

 

[ChrisN]

Agree with you about the price - for the speed the CV 25/0.95 and the 15/0.95 are an amazing bargain compared to other lenses with that low-light ability.

My heaviest prime lens is the Pentax K 50/1.2, at 410gm, and 49mm in length. I consider that a specialist lens.

The CV 15/0.95 weighs 540gm, and is 80mm long! That's a serious chunk of lens. The little OM-D will be dwarfed by it.

I'm still looking forward to some pics of it on the camera! 🙂 And pics made with it! How does it render?

 

[Tom A]

Dont forget that the big market for lenses like the 17,5 mm f0,95 and the 25 mm f0.95 is the serious videographers. This is why the 17,5 has the dual aperture function, either click stops or non click stops. The Micro 4/3 market is quite small - though it is growing.

 

[ChrisN]

I think the availability of these lenses for MFT is a great thing for the format, too. It's like the existence of the Canon perspective control lenses - not all pros need them, but having them available if the need arises is a great incentive for pros to buy into the Canon system. Very few people will need the 0.95 speed, but it's nice to know it's there if needed. I think these lenses will appreciate in value.

 

[igi]

Ah this good thread has been trolled...

Keith, that's what you get for missing the 24hr deadline for pictures😀😀😀

 

[Keith]

Just got home from a day out with the OM-1 ... I needed some film and OM therapy after yesterday's two hours messing about with settings etc in the gallery gloom! 😀

I'll take a pic of the setup this evening and upload some shots from yesterday ... which I may mention are very boring. An empty gallery with nothing but a truckload of monitors showing weird stuff has little to offer photographically I discovered! 😛