bwcolor
Veteran
mfogiel
Veteran
Sony 7 at ISO 102.400 and a 4.5 stop IS, hmm that would mean equivalent to ISO 2.457.600?
Hmm, perhaps we should return to DIN standard before we get Weimar style ISO inflation...
Hmm, perhaps we should return to DIN standard before we get Weimar style ISO inflation...
Huss
Veteran
42mp? Woo hoo there are going to be some awesome cat photos made!
Huff's camera 'tests' say it all IMO. No matter what he has, no matter how incredible it is, same ole' same ole' snaps of wife, daughter, dog, buddy drinking a beer in a bar.
What it shows is for the vast majority of people it no longer matters. And why camera sales are dying as people use smart phones instead.
Huff's camera 'tests' say it all IMO. No matter what he has, no matter how incredible it is, same ole' same ole' snaps of wife, daughter, dog, buddy drinking a beer in a bar.
What it shows is for the vast majority of people it no longer matters. And why camera sales are dying as people use smart phones instead.
back alley
IMAGES
feeling a bit cynical are we?
GaryLH
Veteran
During the film era, a vast majority of the masses were quite happy w/ the instamatic (126).. Or the disposable 35 plastic fixed focal length camera. IMHO it is about getting a memory or something to show your friends. Why would it be different now w/ digital?
Sony has always been about the next best thing.. It seems that a lot of today's digital camera makers are doing the same thing.. Causing digital rot due to fast product release cycles. A digital camera these days seems to have fallen into more of a consumer market..
I find that just like the days of the home computer, in the early days, if u wanted to something u could live w/ u needed to be at the bleeding edge. As things became better, the need for bleeding edge is not required, one could just sit back and picked up something that more than meets ones needs even w/ something that is as old as 2-3 year old tech. My best computer is an iMac that is nearing 5 years old now and I don't need anything faster even though I process foveon raw files or 24mp raw files from my Sony a7.
To me, in the last couple of years, digital cameras are becoming the same for me. I really don't need bleeding edge (just me). I can live w/ buying last years model after they start discounting or even a used one that is a couple of years old..
As far as high mp cameras, don't need high mp since I only print up to 13x19 w/ most in the 8x11 size prints...so 12 mp is really as much as I need. If u print large or have professional reasons for the higher mp or ff, that is a totally different animal. The only reason I have an a7mk1 or any Sony apsc camera is as a universal digital back for my legacy lenses. I shoot my dp2 Quattro in small raw (essentially equiv to 5mp) most of the time.
It is not to say the Sony a7rmk2 is not a nice camera.. Or any one of the 3 announcements today from Sony are not nice.. I am sure there is going to be enough people who want one of these or even the new Leica q.
It is what it is...consumer merry go round these days. Your choice as to when u jump in or how long u stay w/ what u got.
Gary
Sony has always been about the next best thing.. It seems that a lot of today's digital camera makers are doing the same thing.. Causing digital rot due to fast product release cycles. A digital camera these days seems to have fallen into more of a consumer market..
I find that just like the days of the home computer, in the early days, if u wanted to something u could live w/ u needed to be at the bleeding edge. As things became better, the need for bleeding edge is not required, one could just sit back and picked up something that more than meets ones needs even w/ something that is as old as 2-3 year old tech. My best computer is an iMac that is nearing 5 years old now and I don't need anything faster even though I process foveon raw files or 24mp raw files from my Sony a7.
To me, in the last couple of years, digital cameras are becoming the same for me. I really don't need bleeding edge (just me). I can live w/ buying last years model after they start discounting or even a used one that is a couple of years old..
As far as high mp cameras, don't need high mp since I only print up to 13x19 w/ most in the 8x11 size prints...so 12 mp is really as much as I need. If u print large or have professional reasons for the higher mp or ff, that is a totally different animal. The only reason I have an a7mk1 or any Sony apsc camera is as a universal digital back for my legacy lenses. I shoot my dp2 Quattro in small raw (essentially equiv to 5mp) most of the time.
It is not to say the Sony a7rmk2 is not a nice camera.. Or any one of the 3 announcements today from Sony are not nice.. I am sure there is going to be enough people who want one of these or even the new Leica q.
It is what it is...consumer merry go round these days. Your choice as to when u jump in or how long u stay w/ what u got.
Gary
SuperUJ
Well-known
When I lived in Japan a few years ago, some of my local friends told me that they have something called the "Sony life." At first, I thought they were referring to the Sony Life Insurance Company operates in Japan. I then realized that the term was actually referring to the limited life expectancy of Sony's products. Once any Sony brand electronic products past the warranty period, it is likely to fail or Sony will find a way to obsolete the old models, e.g., stop supplying the parts/accessories or new but incompatible batteries, etc. At least, that's the perception among some of the Japanese.
On the paper, the new A7rII looks great. Sony even claims that the shutter vibration will be reduced by 50%. As the shutter sound and vibration of the current line-up have been stopping me from jumping on the bandwagon, the new shutter mechanism alone should be enough for me. However, as soon as I think of the phase "Sony life" confirmed by the whereabouts of my previous purchase of all kinds of electronic made by Sony, my GAS goes away.
Would the mirrorless cameras of Sony be an exception to the long standing company's philosophy of Sony? How good is the 500,000 actuation count, if there would not be a replacement battery for the camera 7 years later when I reach 300,000 actuation. I probably would need a brand new state-of-the-art computer to process the huge RAW files too.
Just like Steve Huff, Sony wants us to buy new cameras every so often so they can generate revenue. Like Gary, I am probably not the type of buyers that Sony targets.
John
On the paper, the new A7rII looks great. Sony even claims that the shutter vibration will be reduced by 50%. As the shutter sound and vibration of the current line-up have been stopping me from jumping on the bandwagon, the new shutter mechanism alone should be enough for me. However, as soon as I think of the phase "Sony life" confirmed by the whereabouts of my previous purchase of all kinds of electronic made by Sony, my GAS goes away.
Would the mirrorless cameras of Sony be an exception to the long standing company's philosophy of Sony? How good is the 500,000 actuation count, if there would not be a replacement battery for the camera 7 years later when I reach 300,000 actuation. I probably would need a brand new state-of-the-art computer to process the huge RAW files too.
Just like Steve Huff, Sony wants us to buy new cameras every so often so they can generate revenue. Like Gary, I am probably not the type of buyers that Sony targets.
John
Huss
Veteran
Not at all. I understand that technology moved onwards and upwards but it has left 99.99% of people's abilities in the dust.
Today, more than ever, it's not the camera that matters. If you can't make a good photograph, the equipment will not make any difference.
There are very very few bloggers out there who can do that.
By the way, this is not a knock on Sony. Their stuff is incredible. Just not sure if it matters anymore. And the buying public has spoken, seeing the decline of the entire 'real' camera market, being replaced by smart phones.
Oscuro
He's French, I'm Italian.
Yeah. I get this. I still shoot the vast majority of work with a D3 (12 mp) or an X100 (12 mp).
Pretty liberating to be free of the need to curate equipment. I suppose I'll upgrade at some point, but when is less important than why.
Canyongazer
Canyongazer
Hmm, perhaps we should return to DIN standard before we get Weimar style ISO inflation...
good one, m!
good one, m!
Alec
Amateur
I see what you did there. Well done, Sir!
to me the big news is that Sony has a 42 MP sensor with 4K video.
That means it won't be too long until Nikon has a similar or better chip.
Hello D820
Stephen
Range-rover
Veteran
The digital race is going again!
Range
Range
uhoh7
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kshapero
South Florida Man
Excellent humor.
JP Owens
Well-known
It is the $3500 usd price of the A7r11 that gives me pause.
Huss
Veteran
Huss is right... I like Sony, but its cameras depreciate quickly.
pvdhaar
Peter
Hey, where's that A7000 with IBIS? Grumble.. grumble..
bwcolor
Veteran
If you don't have to be an early adopter, Sony usually runs a number of discount promotions. They also have frequent model changes. So, the very thing that encourages depreciation, allows the consumer to purchase a great camera at a lower price. This also reduces the depreciation rate for those that care about such things.
pvdhaar
Peter
Oh, that's so rational.. Now, if only the changes to the cameras were minimal. But a the pace these are evolving (.e.g. IBIS, on sensor PDAF etc), last year's model feels like something from the Jurassic..