semilog
curmudgeonly optimist
Dr. Pangloss, I presume?
swoop
Well-known
If auto manufacturers took the same approach to development that Leica demonstrates we'd be driving cars with no crumple zones, side valve engines with carburetors, points and coil ignition, drum brakes ... and a computer to manage it all!
I laughed.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
I shoot advertising/commercial and I use my MM to shoot when B&W is the end goal for say an annual report. I use it exclusively for my personal work because its the right tool. The only folks I know that own digital Leicas are other commercial photographers. They like me have other equipment but they to use their Leicas on commercial assignments if its right for the assignment. And they all to use it for their personal work.
MCTuomey
Veteran
Leica as a brand and as a photographic tool is seductive. Both the bodies and the glass. Trying to convince the seduced to give it up is futile. Money will be spent and, if needed, sacrifices are made to afford such expensive gear. And for the unseduced, well, more power to their resistance.
Jon said it: it would be a fine thing for Leica to produce a sub $2K digi RF. But odds are they won't.
Jon said it: it would be a fine thing for Leica to produce a sub $2K digi RF. But odds are they won't.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Why would they? I remember a time with Leicas were at least double the top of the line Nikon and Canons. Now they're about equal.
Heres a great piece by Meyerowitz and a great reason to choose a rangefinder among many other reasons.
I would say watch the entire piece but the point is about 1:30 in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xumo7_JUeMo
noimmunity
scratch my niche
All Huff and Puff and a lot of GAS!!!
All Huff and Puff and a lot of GAS!!!
Thanks for the link.
The view and the mechanical focus mechanism. We get it. Sean Reid came out arguing for that big time.
Meyerowitz's take is a little bit different from Reid's, since he emphasizes two-eyed shooting, while Reid emphasizes being able to see outside the frame but within the VF.
Note that Meyerowitz's emphasis puts left-handed shooters and people with glasses at a disadvantage. Would also seem to favor 1:1 VFs like the Bessa R3* and the RD-1.
Also note that since he doesn't make a reference to the mechanical RF, he could just as easily be talking about a Fuji X-Pro1.
With the rise of mirrorless digicams, form factor is not the privilege of the Leica. But that VF/RF experience, if you like it and know a little bit about how to use it, is really to die for.
Too bad there is no competition in this market segment and the prices as a result are so exorbitant.
If you want FF DSLR, $2K gets you there. So RF is a niche market, add a 50% premium--but you're still only half way to being able to buy a new FF dRF under guarantee and all that.
Anyway, this is all way off topic. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it, especially the part on photographing relations rather than objects. I enjoyed it a lot more, BTW, than reading Huff's review. That man is all huff and puff and a lot of GAS !
All Huff and Puff and a lot of GAS!!!
Thanks for the link.
The view and the mechanical focus mechanism. We get it. Sean Reid came out arguing for that big time.
Meyerowitz's take is a little bit different from Reid's, since he emphasizes two-eyed shooting, while Reid emphasizes being able to see outside the frame but within the VF.
Note that Meyerowitz's emphasis puts left-handed shooters and people with glasses at a disadvantage. Would also seem to favor 1:1 VFs like the Bessa R3* and the RD-1.
Also note that since he doesn't make a reference to the mechanical RF, he could just as easily be talking about a Fuji X-Pro1.
With the rise of mirrorless digicams, form factor is not the privilege of the Leica. But that VF/RF experience, if you like it and know a little bit about how to use it, is really to die for.
Too bad there is no competition in this market segment and the prices as a result are so exorbitant.
If you want FF DSLR, $2K gets you there. So RF is a niche market, add a 50% premium--but you're still only half way to being able to buy a new FF dRF under guarantee and all that.
Anyway, this is all way off topic. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it, especially the part on photographing relations rather than objects. I enjoyed it a lot more, BTW, than reading Huff's review. That man is all huff and puff and a lot of GAS
!airfrogusmc
Veteran
Thanks for the link.
The view and the mechanical focus mechanism. We get it. Sean Reid came out arguing for that big time.
Meyerowitz's take is a little bit different from Reid's, since he emphasizes two-eyed shooting, while Reid emphasizes being able to see outside the frame but within the VF.
Note that Meyerowitz's emphasis puts left-handed shooters and people with glasses at a disadvantage. Would also seem to favor 1:1 VFs like the Bessa R3* and the RD-1.
Also note that since he doesn't make a reference to the mechanical RF, he could just as easily be talking about a Fuji X-Pro1.
With the rise of mirrorless digicams, form factor is not the privilege of the Leica. But that VF/RF experience, if you like it and know a little bit about how to use it, is really to die for.
Too bad there is no competition in this market segment and the prices as a result are so exorbitant.
If you want FF DSLR, $2K gets you there. So RF is a niche market, add a 50% premium--but you're still only half way to being able to buy a new FF dRF under guarantee and all that.
Anyway, this is all way off topic. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it, especially the part on photographing relations rather than objects. I enjoyed it a lot more, BTW, than reading Huff's review. That man is all huff and puff and a lot of GAS
I have shot with the fuji and didn't like it was well as the Leica. FF was a big reason for me. My bud that has the fuji also prefers his M9.
noimmunity
scratch my niche
I have the Fuji and love its polyvalent flexibility. The M-E is cool, too, but it is less polyvalent. Sometimes that's good; sometimes that's bad. But the point is that the Fuji OVF/EVF combination achieves the view that Meyerowitz is talking about, AND it adds an extra trick in the ability to toggle over to TTL EVF.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
Well I'm in love with my MM. Don't like a lot gadgets. I like to keep it simple. If Leica comes out with an M-E with the new M sensor I might have to grab one of those. I find the MM and 35 lux get out of my way and have, with some practice, become a real extension of my vision. Shooting for the moment has become effortless for me.
frank-grumman
Well-known
Polyvalent???? Excuse my stupidity, but I'd appreciate knowing in photographic terms what that means.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
I think he means having muti purposes, kinda one size fits all. If thats what he is meaning those are reasons I don't like it. I have DSLRs that try real hard to do that.
aizan
Veteran
this must be the part of the movie where steve lets his internet fame go to his head. i can just see him fondling huge piles of freshly unboxed cameras.
MCTuomey
Veteran
Good point. My egalitarian side wishes for more accessible Leica dRfs, so more people can enjoy them, that's all, and I don't mean being able to buy 6-7 year-old digital Ms that may or may not be serviceable. My wishing will not have any effect whatsoever on Leica's marketing and production, that much is certain.
airfrogusmc
Veteran
noimmunity
scratch my niche
Polyvalent???? Excuse my stupidity, but I'd appreciate knowing in photographic terms what that means.
In relation to the Meyerowitz youtube video, it means having BOTH the brightline OVF off-center on the body (typical of Leica and other RFs) that allows you to see outside the frame while composing the shot AND having the EVF that gives you instant TTL view on demand (typical of today's mirrorless cameras).
In terms of compositional viewing process, no other camera offers that combination. Pretty cool, huh?!
airfrogusmc
Veteran
For you, I actually prefer my MM by a lot. Nice to have choices and the MM and M9 and new M are all FF.