Stiff, Grippy focus after lube

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Hi, I have a chrome 35mm summilux asph that has a stiff and grippy focus ring. For example: to rotate the focus ring "I had to exert a tiny amount of extra push to get it started, which always landed me a little further on the distance scale than I really wanted" (in the words of another RF'er with what sounds like a similar problem)

The lens becomes grippy at close focus (between closest focus and about 3 feet)

I find this incredibly irritating as I own a chrome 35mm summicron version IV that has an action that is simply buttery... I mean I don't focus that lens I merely suggest where to focus with my finger and the focus ring glides into place.

A gentle rocking (back and forth) action on the focus ring for fine-focus is possible on the summicron whereas on the summilux it would be impossible near the close focus area because of the grippy problem.

I have since had both lenses sent to Sherry Krauter for CLA with an explicit Helicoid relubrication executed on the Summilux.

The summicron is still buttery smooth but the Summilux has pretty much the same irritating grippy focusing action.

I can see that the lube has been replaced as it as the old lube was dry and black and the new lube looks thick and clear (think vaseline).

I'm wondering if this is a known issue. I know this lens in chrome has a lot of mass to move when focusing (415 grams versus 320 grams in black). Perhaps the mechanical stress of that extra weight is causing this issue. Maybe thats why they discontinued this chrome version... I've also heard that this issue may be caused by Leica's new teflon-based lubricants. I've heard that DAG addresses this problem by using a different type of lubricant. I've also read that a break-in period may alleviate some of the grippyness but I'm not holding my breath. This lens was made around 1995 so its past its break-in period.

Anyhow if anybody has experienced this issue and has successfully rectified it I would greatly appreciate his/her input regarding this.
 
Hi jfujita,

I have a black version of the 35mm asph summilux. Bought it new, no problem with this lens focusing, and it is very smooth.

Did you let Ms. Krauter know that the lens is still "grippy" after her CLA?

rt
 
This sounds pretty grave. I would prefer to repair this lens if possible as chrome versions are no longer made and somewhat sparse on the used market.

I have not yet informed Ms. Krauter of this issue. I plan on doing so tomorrow morning.

At worst, one would think that I could have Leica completely replace the focus helicoid with a fresh one to troubleshoot the problem.

Perhaps I should consult DAG... to quote another forum post with a similar problem:

"You might find this informative, but mildly annoying. I have a new version 50/2.8 Elmar purchased used from a fellow forum member. The focus was initially a bit stiff and quite "grabby" when doing fine focusing, as has been described previously. I sent it to Don Goldberg and he replaced the stock teflon-based Leica helicoid lubricant with what he calls "real grease". The difference was like night to day. Now the lens is a smooth as silk. I wonder if the type of lubricant is the problem with all the new lenses? Don mentioned that he thinks this may be the case."



"We can rebuild him, we have the technology........ I just don't want to spend alot of money" -Quoth Family Guy
 
"Real grease" is sold in the Edmund Scientific catalog. It's 60% bacon fat, 30% butter, and 10% nose oil.

It comes in a little tube like Testor's airplane glue, injected into the helicoid.

I have a little syringe and I put "real grease" into all my lenses. About a half teaspoonful does it.

I've even just taken some bacon grease out of a frying pan if I run out of the Edmund stuff, and mixed it with butter. Even better is Indian "ghee", which you can buy in an ethnic grocery store.

All my lenses are buttery smooth and focus like champs.
 
Try having the lens cleaned a second time, as already mentioned. Yesterday I cleaned a 1952 collapsible Summicron. My "usual cheese-wiz trick" of lubing the exposed portion of the helical did not work. Took it apart and found that dried grease had created a pad at the base of the inner helical and it was like moving against rubber. A thorough flood-cleaning got it out, and vacuum pump grease has it working like new.

That was a happy ending story. I've seen Jupiter-3's with damaged helicals that would unscrew from the camera while focussing. Some helicals just would not go back together. As I'm stubborn, and handy with a file, they did after I was finished with them. Just about anything can be repaired.
 
Thanks for all the input. I just shot a couple of rolls today and the problem is less noticeable in actual use as opposed to this arm-chair fondling. Perhaps because I don't tend to shoot my subjects at minimum focus (Where the grippyness occurs).

I think I will still try to have this issue resolved. I wonder if I should complain to Ms. Krauter and have it serviced again or just send it to DAG for this mytical "re-lapping".
 
I wonder if I should complain to Ms. Krauter and have it serviced again or just send it to DAG for this mytical "re-lapping".

Only you can make this decision. But if it were me, since the CLA was already paid for once, I'd give Ms. Krauter a chance to make good.

I'd certainly want to at least give her a chance to explain why the focus is still stiff.

rt
 
I explained the problem to her and she instructed me to deduct the summilux CLA from the service invoice and to have Don lap the focusing helicoid. I genuinely hope she wasn't upset. Maybe "lapping" is something that Don is better equipped to perform. Here we go again.
 
That was pretty fair of Ms. Krauter.

So I guess your choices are to either send it to DAG, let Brian Sweeny go at it with his file, or have M. Valdemar shoot some bacan fat and nose grease into your summilux. 😀

I think it's now obvious what to do (and it has nothing to do with ghee, either)...

Good luck on getting your lens fixed!
rt 🙂
 
valdemar, interesting about real grease. I checked the site of Edmund Scientific and entered in search for word "grease" but no products didn't came up.

I'd need try this to CLA all stiff focusing russian lenses. Every one! Maybe it can do trick for 90mm hexanon too 😀

Russian lenses smell like black grease from an old volga car 🙂
 
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