jsrockit
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So wait, no one here gets irked by trivial matters and over-reacts ever?
Taking yourself too seriously.
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-doomed-
film is exciting
Sure, but making a big deal out an ad and stewing on it for months to point out my level of anger towards people who don't know any better is fascinating.
I like the what the duck strip that pokes fun at the topic of photography.
I like the what the duck strip that pokes fun at the topic of photography.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
arrogance abounds in every arena.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
#1: Consider the source.
#2: Higher quality operations have respect for their customers.
#2: Higher quality operations have respect for their customers.
-doomed-
film is exciting
#2 is what I figured.
I mean if you're a jack of all trades photographer, you want to appeal to the widest audience. If someone does end up seeing that video, even with a disclaimer, I think it's possible that it would end up making you look like a jerk.
I mean if you're a jack of all trades photographer, you want to appeal to the widest audience. If someone does end up seeing that video, even with a disclaimer, I think it's possible that it would end up making you look like a jerk.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
This guy does take himself way too seriously!
Every day I can watch ads on the TV that suggest a certain aftershave will have women falling at my feet, banks are there to help us manage our money and offer exceptional service for minimim fees ... and McDonalds is actually edible!
C'mon.
Every day I can watch ads on the TV that suggest a certain aftershave will have women falling at my feet, banks are there to help us manage our money and offer exceptional service for minimim fees ... and McDonalds is actually edible!
C'mon.
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Roger Hicks
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Dear Keith,
You've not found the one that works yet, then?
Or was it that you never needed it? (Maybe you will when you get older -- who knows?)
I found the solution years ago: stop watching TV.
Cheers,
R.
-doomed-
film is exciting
McDonalds is a fairly effective laxative, though I've not eaten there in two years.
Roger Hicks
Veteran
-doomed-
film is exciting
Haha, it's given me the runs before from eating it. I've not eaten their "food" since then. I'd imagine if I needed to poop, it'd be a cheap option over an actual laxative.
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
The only commercial TV I watch these days has been recorded to hard drive and filtered through software on a PC to remove the ads.
Either that or our public broadcaster ABC ... which is ad free!
I have to admit to liking that Lumix ad ... people get so up tight about these sorts of things and truth be known the point and shoot will get the pic every time while the pro is deciding which aperture or ISO to use! 😛
Either that or our public broadcaster ABC ... which is ad free!
I have to admit to liking that Lumix ad ... people get so up tight about these sorts of things and truth be known the point and shoot will get the pic every time while the pro is deciding which aperture or ISO to use! 😛
Luis
Member
Probably what really bothered this photographer was the element of truth in the Panasonic commercial. The fact is that with modern cameras one doesn't need to know the difference bteween an f-stop and a doorstop to take technically good pictures. And if one has a good eye, the visual talent, one can take excellent, even great, pictures, without much or even any technical knowledge.
35mmdelux
Veni, vidi, vici
I attended a photo presentation at a museum and observed that while the photos were well composed the exposure of each was dead on. I began to think these photographs must be digital camera auto-everything. I've been to many museum photo presentations and these were different. After researching the photographer, sure enough. Just saying...
antiquark
Derek Ross
The "bird" commercial was pretty damn funny. Why do people assume the SLR guy is a pro? The way he's fondling his lenses, he's obviously a rank amateur in the midst of a GAS crisis!
And the vid complaining about "cameras taking good pictures" is a little inaccurate. I own many cameras, and the fact is, some DO take better pictures!
And the vid complaining about "cameras taking good pictures" is a little inaccurate. I own many cameras, and the fact is, some DO take better pictures!
All it takes is the right gear, eh? The idea’s been around a while. 🙂
Smothers Brothers (remember them?) back in the ‘60’s singing in close harmony to the tune of “Streets of Laredo”... and a strange cowboy appears down the street...
“I see by his outfit that he is a cowboy;
“He sees by my outfit that I’m a cowboy too.
“We see by our outfits that we are both cowboys;
“If you get an outfit you can be a cowboy too!”
Smothers Brothers (remember them?) back in the ‘60’s singing in close harmony to the tune of “Streets of Laredo”... and a strange cowboy appears down the street...
“I see by his outfit that he is a cowboy;
“He sees by my outfit that I’m a cowboy too.
“We see by our outfits that we are both cowboys;
“If you get an outfit you can be a cowboy too!”
Neare
Well-known
It's an advert, not a reflection on what happens in real life.
Have a laugh.
If someone makes a living doing photography using p&s's, all the power to them. They'd obviously be a very good photographer.
Again, it's an advert.
Have a laugh.
If someone makes a living doing photography using p&s's, all the power to them. They'd obviously be a very good photographer.
Again, it's an advert.
joedfoto
Newbie
Hi Doomed (Scott), and everyone else. I am the photographer and blogger of www.speedexposure.com
I'd like to start by saying that in no way shape or form do I fancy myself a professional photographer. I do not do this for a living and it started as a hobby for me. I have sold some pictures of mine but thats not the direction I am taking my photography. If anyone asked me my profession right now I would say I am a technician for BMW. I have mentioned in many posts that I have made, that I am not a Pro photographer. I have too much to learn in the industry. In time I would like to drop my work as a mechanic and become a Photographer for a living.
Typically I always look forward to hearing from Scott (doomed) what he has to say about my posts. He is a friend of mine from a spot we used to work at together, and we know many mutual people in the automotive scene (where I do most of my work). I am pretty thrown back at how I am talked about here, seeing your a friend. Also considering if you always critique me in a way to help me out, if you thought this post was so horrible for my reputation, why you would blow it up on a forum. I do see where you are coming from about how this wouldn't help me. I do have a website on the side www.joedantone.com not that you can't go through the grapevine and find this 1 post that I've made.
The reasoning behind the post and my real thoughts:
Well lately I've been posting a lot and comments have slowed down and so has traffic. I'm always looking at different ways to market my work and myself. Lately I've been reading about "keyword" rich posts and talking about controvercial issues to drive traffic to your site. Well I guess it worked. My stand on these commercials. I think they are hilarious, and I said that in the comments of the post. I figured you would've understood what I was doing by that comment. I believe you may have taken this POST too seriously. I am serious about my work, but I do not think I am the greatest and think anything I say is right. I know for a fact that cameras do help image quality. I know that the point and shoots out there can take amazing pictures. Oh, heres a post I made about that, showing my scincerity about what I'm saying now. I'm sorry if this post was taken in the wrong way, but it was made with totally different intentions.
This is true, people get offended to quickly. This was a rant to bring in traffic as I stated above.
-doomed-
film is exciting
Responded to you privately on the matter Joe.
Chris101
summicronia
I don't get it. Everybody NOWS that it IS the camera. I hear it all the time, "Your pictures really stink, you must have a lame camera."
Photographers cannot take pictures without a camera right? But look at the space probes, telescopes, the ubiquitous security cameras, or any of the shot-from-the-hip stuff. Cameras do just fine without photographers. This "It's the photographer" stuff is just so we don't feel redundant.
Photographers cannot take pictures without a camera right? But look at the space probes, telescopes, the ubiquitous security cameras, or any of the shot-from-the-hip stuff. Cameras do just fine without photographers. This "It's the photographer" stuff is just so we don't feel redundant.
Turtle
Veteran
I agree with him, but at the end of the day what can be done apart from elevating your game and letting your results do the talking?
At every wedding there is an uncle with a huge DSLR getting in the way of the event photographer because he thinks he is 'basically a pro too.' At every exhibition, hundreds of people ask themselves 'I wonder what film/dev/camera/lens/software/printer/paper/ink set he uses.' The topic may not be new, but even photographers are not immune to variations on this theme.
I have noted quite a few times how people don't take me too seriously as I 'play' with my 35mm RF and give attention to the 'real photographer' with the big cam. Suits me...
I think he does have a point, but that the same point matters a lot less than he realises. The better and more confident he gets, the more glaring that will be. Great pictures draw people in and leave the question of 'maybe I could do this with X camera' a million miles behind.
His video with the cartoon characters made me laugh. Hey, he had fun and has a beef. All seems pretty harmless to me!
I will make this observation. Such adverts may have less of an impact in europe than the US, because having worked simultaneously with Americans and Europeans over the last decade, Americans do have a greater tendency to be fixated with technology and gadgetry as 'solutions' even to the point of largely ignoring the human factor. I have found this really interesting to deal with quite outside photography. I can imagine this cultural trait makes the issue of 'equipment superiority' even more acute in the US.
At every wedding there is an uncle with a huge DSLR getting in the way of the event photographer because he thinks he is 'basically a pro too.' At every exhibition, hundreds of people ask themselves 'I wonder what film/dev/camera/lens/software/printer/paper/ink set he uses.' The topic may not be new, but even photographers are not immune to variations on this theme.
I have noted quite a few times how people don't take me too seriously as I 'play' with my 35mm RF and give attention to the 'real photographer' with the big cam. Suits me...
I think he does have a point, but that the same point matters a lot less than he realises. The better and more confident he gets, the more glaring that will be. Great pictures draw people in and leave the question of 'maybe I could do this with X camera' a million miles behind.
His video with the cartoon characters made me laugh. Hey, he had fun and has a beef. All seems pretty harmless to me!
I will make this observation. Such adverts may have less of an impact in europe than the US, because having worked simultaneously with Americans and Europeans over the last decade, Americans do have a greater tendency to be fixated with technology and gadgetry as 'solutions' even to the point of largely ignoring the human factor. I have found this really interesting to deal with quite outside photography. I can imagine this cultural trait makes the issue of 'equipment superiority' even more acute in the US.
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