Godfrey
somewhat colored
I predict that some M lenses will work fine, and others not. ]
That's why I collected Leica R lenses for adaptation. M lenses mostly stay on the M9.
G
That's why I collected Leica R lenses for adaptation. M lenses mostly stay on the M9.
G
f16sunshine
Moderator
uh oh uhoh7. !!
I hope you're not disappointed with performance of your summi28 on the A7/R.
A lot of emotional energy going into M mount expectations around here.
Fact may well be that the native lenses for this system will be the "best" performers overall (Zeiss and all why not?).
Other than a ZM Biogon 28mm. I'm only hoping for a digital FF platform for a couple M Hexanons I have here.
If this is not it the wait continues
Sounds like Sony made every effort to get it right.
Hopefully this early poor report is just that.... Early and poor.
YYV_146
Well-known
http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=224 Just downloaded his files.
The 21 lux looks fine when stopped down. From experience I could care less about wide open corner performance, they'll be blurry with a lens that fast and wide anyways.
The 50s and 35s look fantastic, great news for most of us here who would no doubt use these focal ranges the most. Personally I'd buy an A7 even if it performed horribly with lenses wider than 35mm, since 35,50 and 90 cover about 85% of my daily shooting.
The 21 lux looks fine when stopped down. From experience I could care less about wide open corner performance, they'll be blurry with a lens that fast and wide anyways.
The 50s and 35s look fantastic, great news for most of us here who would no doubt use these focal ranges the most. Personally I'd buy an A7 even if it performed horribly with lenses wider than 35mm, since 35,50 and 90 cover about 85% of my daily shooting.
thegman
Veteran
I like Steve Huff, he seems like a nice guy, but trust his judgement? No, generally I think the only person you can trust the judgement of is yourself, or people you know very well. Even then, I know my own judgement is pretty ropey at times.
PaulDalex
Dilettante artist
I have read somewhere that it is onle the A7r that has special microprisms on pixels which improve light gathering for off axis rays.
I am very curious to see how the A7r behaves with the same lenses.
I never considered the A7. And as said elsewhere will probably wait for a more advanced A9
I am very curious to see how the A7r behaves with the same lenses.
I never considered the A7. And as said elsewhere will probably wait for a more advanced A9
Dralowid
Michael
Well the R version seems to work fine on Nex 6...guess the crop is cutting off the nasty bits!
bwcolor
Veteran
uhoh7
Veteran
the sky is falling OMG
1) you are right. the A7r sensor is gapless and offset. The A7 results are meaningless for A7r
2) results are not as bad even for the plain A7 as Ron implies.
Not worried yet.
But we will know for sure within a few weeks.
Glee at prospect new sonys can't do M from some is comical.
Godfrey
somewhat colored
LOL! You said almost exactly what I was going to write. ;-)
Steve Huff does a good job of what he does, with lots of energy and as much accuracy as a single individual can muster. But he's still just one guy reviewing gear and giving his opinion.
When it comes to what I like, what feels useful to me, etc, the only person who can make that evaluation is me. And sometimes I even get it wrong ... for me.
Anyway, I fully expect that for the most part the best lenses to use on these new wunderkameras are going to the ones that Sony (Zeiss) makes specifically for them. And I'm sure that won't stop people from trying out their existing lenses on them too, and complaining bitterly when they aren't exactly what they wanted them to be.
For me, the Sonys pose an interesting possibility for the future. I'm not all that enthusiastic about Sony's body ergonomics and such, though, whereas I have always been extremely pleased with what Olympus does in that regard on their pro grade cameras. The big sensor is nice, I'm sure it will perform well. A friend has pre-ordered one, I'll be getting the low down on it through his eyes for a while to come.
(Steve,
The A7 and A7r use two entirely different sensors.
The A7 sensor is lower density with larger photosite pitch and has PDAF sensors embedded in it. The A7r sensor has smaller photosites and no AA filter. The microlens array has to be completely different between them.
I expect their behavior with various RF lenses will also differ, possibly radically, particularly with short focal length, near-symmetric designs like the Biogons and Color Skopars. The only way to know what works well and what doesn't will be to have production units in hand and test them carefully.)
G
zauhar
Veteran
You mean an SLR lens? I guess that would sit far from the sensor, and should work without incident.
My 21mm SA worked fine on the Ricoh GXR, but of course that is with crop.
I need to get my student at the Sony store to let me try it for myself on the A7r!! - unfortunately they don't have one in yet.
Randy
bwcolor
Veteran
I think that Sony knows that many will start with the idea that their legacy lenses will work with their new camera. They also know that many of the same people have a utopian quest for just the perfect optics /ergonomics. That explains why I have multiple Zeiss lenses in the same focal lengths for various camera mounts.
GaryLH
Veteran
Thanks Cameraquest and lensrental
Thanks Cameraquest and lensrental
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/...p-nashville-tn-with-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/
So the Sony media event is ext week in Nashvile and Steve is going to be their w/ a bunch of lenses loaned to him courtesy of Cameraquest and lensrental.
Way to go... Thanks..Stephen
Gary
Thanks Cameraquest and lensrental
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/...p-nashville-tn-with-the-sony-a7-a7r-and-rx10/
So the Sony media event is ext week in Nashvile and Steve is going to be their w/ a bunch of lenses loaned to him courtesy of Cameraquest and lensrental.
Way to go... Thanks..Stephen
Gary
GaryLH
Veteran
Voitlander 28f2 and 35f1.4
Voitlander 28f2 and 35f1.4
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/28/honky-tonkin-with-the-sony-a7-and-a7r-in-nashville/
Well Steve Huff is at the Sony event. He has posted shots from the Voitlander 28f2 and 35f1.2 as well as the Sony 55f1.8. Just ooc jpgs.
Night time at the bars... And the bands
Gary
Voitlander 28f2 and 35f1.4
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/10/28/honky-tonkin-with-the-sony-a7-and-a7r-in-nashville/
Well Steve Huff is at the Sony event. He has posted shots from the Voitlander 28f2 and 35f1.2 as well as the Sony 55f1.8. Just ooc jpgs.
Night time at the bars... And the bands
Gary
lam
Well-known
Looks damn good to me.
Wow, I'm shocked at how much the output from this camera looks like a camera. I expected it to look like god shat diamond encrusted dreams onto my screen.
f16sunshine
Moderator
Would you know what that looked like if you saw it?
Maybe that's what we're looking at
Looks good so far with the 1.2/35mm.
Would you know what that looked like if you saw it?
Maybe that's what we're looking at
Good point.
zauhar
Veteran
Here is a diamond-encrusted dream from our gallery (kudos to 'Rangefinder 35'):
I believe the FF sensor in use was something called 'Velvia 100'
Randy
uhoh7
Veteran
One thing for sure: the Sony A7s are some serious troll bait.
I shoot film also, but I don't bang on doors to convert the world back to film. Nor do I pollute threads about shooting film with smug diatribes about digital.
N.delaRua
Well-known
Firstly, I am very impressed by the number of people attempting to adapt non-native lenses to a this camera. I understand the attraction. I shot a number of Nikon F mount lenses like my beloved 85 mm f/1.4 and 20 mm f/4.0 on DX cameras because that was really my only option.
A recent article posted by the Lens Rental blog was quite telling:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
It seems to me that maybe we are dreaming of sticking a square peg in a circle hole here. Everyone wants this to be the poor man's full frame M body, but maybe the Sony engineers had very different goals. I mean they are designing a camera around the FE mount with an ability to adapt A-mount lenses. M mount lenses are designed around the innate parameters of the M mount. Leica itself has had to innovate just make its own lenses work with a modern FF body.
The native Zeiss lenses seem awesome so far (I've loved what I have seen with the FE 35 mm f/2.8). There is not a wide angle yet, but you know they have the expertise and the proprietary knowledge for each body to make an optimized wide angle.
If it were me and I were seriously considering a Sony A7/R I would seriously be most concerned with the native lens performance, and practice patience while I wait for the native WA lenses to come. If M mount lenses show imperfections on the M mount camera maybe its just something we will have to live with in the digital world.
A recent article posted by the Lens Rental blog was quite telling:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
It seems to me that maybe we are dreaming of sticking a square peg in a circle hole here. Everyone wants this to be the poor man's full frame M body, but maybe the Sony engineers had very different goals. I mean they are designing a camera around the FE mount with an ability to adapt A-mount lenses. M mount lenses are designed around the innate parameters of the M mount. Leica itself has had to innovate just make its own lenses work with a modern FF body.
The native Zeiss lenses seem awesome so far (I've loved what I have seen with the FE 35 mm f/2.8). There is not a wide angle yet, but you know they have the expertise and the proprietary knowledge for each body to make an optimized wide angle.
If it were me and I were seriously considering a Sony A7/R I would seriously be most concerned with the native lens performance, and practice patience while I wait for the native WA lenses to come. If M mount lenses show imperfections on the M mount camera maybe its just something we will have to live with in the digital world.