Testing, testing: Color in B&W chemicals.

[Stephanie Brim]

I did it again because I was curious as to how some color film would play with Diafine. Not reusing that bit of Diafine. This time the film was Fujicolor True Definition shot at ISO 800 or thereabouts...it's an ISO400 film.

http://www.glasswings.org/words/?p=96

Comments would be appreciated. I intend to do this with Rodinal, too, and perhaps try some Fuji Super HQ 200 next time. 🙂

 

[titrisol]

kewl!
I wonder if bracketing will help with those blown highlights.

I expected the large grain though, since I had seen that in Ilford XP2 processed in BW chemistry.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

The Fuji 100 that I processed in D76 didn't have this much grain. I've come to the conclusion, now that I've done two of these tests, that grain depends on the developer, not that the film is color and being developed in the wrong chemicals.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

I have the color scans up, too. Direct link to those.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

Bumpy. I thought more people would actually be interested in this. Heh.

 

[jano]

Yeah, tres cool! I didn't know this could be done -- does it work with transparencies as well? I may as well find out.

I have a friend working at a minilab, she's going to x-process e6 film in c41 before changing out the chemicals (apparently it leaves behind a mess) this week 🙂

Jano

 

[Stephanie Brim]

I really need to find a lab that will cross process some of my slide film. I just want it processed.

 

[amateriat]

E6 processed through C41 can look "interesting" (I did this at a lab once in the early 90s for a photographer at Seventeen magazine), but it depends on your sensibilities, and/or your openness to surprise.


- Barrett

 

[Stephanie Brim]

I really love it. I like unknown quantities. Surprise is interesting and much more fun than knowing exactly what you're going to get. It's why I like sticking with film...I don't to know what's on the film until I develop it. 🙂

 

[saxshooter]

If you won't find a minilab that will cross process E6 for you, you could try doing it yourself.

When I used to process C-41 by hand, Tetenal C-41 Press Kit was what I used. It comes in powder form, and mixes in 1 liter tanks. It is a two step process and I souped it at 100F. You may be able to do it at lower temps.

B&H sells it for $15 a kit. Here's a link .

I do remember there was some cross processing exposure formula... overexposure/underexposure. Not sure.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

I thought about doing it myself...I may just have to get the kit. I'm really interested in working towards doing most of my own developing...but I think I'll wait a bit to do C-41 processing in earnest until I can get myself a processor of some kind.

But anyway, my next test is going to be Fuji 100 in Rodinal. May try some in HC-110, too. This weekend is going to be interesting. 🙂

 

[saxshooter]

You can do the C41 processing with two stainless steel tanks. Agitate by hand the first minute and let it sit the rest out. Then put in the second step. Easier than B&W processing. Just need the higher temperature bath.

And wear gloves. Noxious stuff.

 

[allthumbs]

Thanks, Stephanie. Keep us posted. I'm hoping to try it this week--standard HC110 though. What time/temp did you use for D76?

I think the CW for cross-processing positive/negative (color) is to overexpose 2 stops.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

Standard time for 24/75 degrees for TMAX 100 film is what I used for Fuji 100...I'm guessing that you could use the standard processing time for TMAX 400 for Fuji 400 film.

 

[Dracotype]

I actually saw a similar thread over on APUG a while back. Neat stuff. The color scans are especially interesting. I wonder if the color of the scans means anything? Like which part of the spectrum it is sensitive to the most, etc. So it looks like you are using just standard times for black and white films of similar speed? Keep us posted.

Drew

 

[brians]

Interesting cross process, Stephanie. I'm particularly fond of the blue tone.

 

[ClaremontPhoto]

Any minilab can xpro E6 in C41 chemistry.

Just stick a label on the film can with 'C41' written on it with some attitude. Don't tell them what you've done. Just hand it over like a regular customer.

If they say they can't do it go to the website for their brand of machine and print the page that tells them that they can do it. I think that if more than 50% or so of their throughput is E6 it degrades the chemistry but the odd one or two makes no difference at all.

Also, since the E6 is going to come out weird anyway don't buy new E6: try to buy old stuff. Mine is Fuji Sensia 'use by 1998'. Ask around and you may find some similar for just a few cent.

 

[Stephanie Brim]

Yeah...old stuff really is best. I've been looking for outdated Sensia from about February/March/April of last year...the emulsion is supposedly really good for cross processing.

 

[skarpia]

Wow. Excellent stuff. So you say that this is iso400-film, shot at 800, and still the highlights are blown. How'd you develop it then? What if we exaggerate this even more and shoot at 3200 or 6400?

Oh, and I can vouch for safely crossdeveloping, at least in small quantities. We've never had any problems.

 

[ClaremontPhoto]

I've been looking for outdated Sensia from about February/March/April of last year...

Be bold. Be brave. Ask about the ten year old stuff.

I got a box of 100 for the price of a couple of beers.