the $10,000 dSRL

The price for this sd1 is huge. In fairness to sigma, they're already taking pre-orders with lens kits for significantly below the RRP - around 7.5K with a lens IIRC.

I still think the foveon sensor is a brilliant idea, and it's application and development could be a huge leap over the bayer sensor in the future... I'd love to try one of these SD1's to see what it can do!



Edit: Samples are available at: http://www.sigma-sd.com/SD1/sample-photo/index.html
The first and second samples in particular demonstrate (despite average jpeg processing) the monstrous amount of detail available from this sensor....
 
fdigital said:
The price for this sd1 is huge. In fairness to sigma, they're already taking pre-orders with lens kits for significantly below the RRP - around 7.5K with a lens IIRC.

I still think the foveon sensor is a brilliant idea, and it's application and development could be a huge leap over the bayer sensor in the future... I'd love to try one of these SD1's to see what it can do!



Edit: Samples are available at: http://www.sigma-sd.com/SD1/sample-photo/index.html
The first and second samples in particular demonstrate (despite average jpeg processing) the monstrous amount of detail available from this sensor....
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There is a market for the camera. If it's close to what's promised it will best all the other similar size cameras. I think the Sigma lens business is the weak point.

Foveon is in the area and I know one of their engineers. They really needed money and both Canon and Nikon showed no interest. I guess Sigma came up with the cash to keep them going. I think the Sensor Design Group is all in Mountain View CA. Too bad the camera wasn't available in both Canon and Nikon mounts like the Kodak 14N was. At least you could make a choice for any existing lenses in your system. I hope that the Sigma lens restriction doesn't hurt the progress of the sensor technology. I really think it's the best thing going for digital in the near future.
 
Well they're getting a lot of interest, just because of the price point. There's no such thing as bad press.
 
PKR said:
Foveon is in the area and I know one of their engineers. They really needed money and both Canon and Nikon showed no interest. I guess Sigma came up with the cash to keep them going. I think the Sensor Design Group is all in Mountain View CA. Too bad the camera wasn't available in both Canon and Nikon mounts like the Kodak 14N was. At least you could make a choice for any existing lenses in your system. I hope that the Sigma lens restriction doesn't hurt the progress of the sensor technology. I really think it's the best thing going for digital in the near future.
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Yeah. But why crop sensor?
Why not go all the way to showcase the benefits of Foveon (not just megapixel) in a full-frame camera?
 
Those samples are worth a look - the detail is exceptional. Bayer technology has come a long way, but I would think Foveon has more potential, with each photosite collecting full colour information. I would like to see b&w conversions from this sensor too. What would be really nice is a Foveon FF sensor in an M9 body. The increased volumes would help bring the sensor price down.
 
shadowfox said:
Yeah. But why crop sensor?
Why not go all the way to showcase the benefits of Foveon (not just megapixel) in a full-frame camera?
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I get the feeling that the reason the cost of this one is so high is due to development costs of the new larger sensor in the sd1... I suspect a full frame sized sensor may have been even more...

lynnb said:
Those samples are worth a look - the detail is exceptional. Bayer technology has come a long way, but I would think Foveon has more potential, with each photosite collecting full colour information. I would like to see b&w conversions from this sensor too. What would be really nice is a Foveon FF sensor in an M9 body. The increased volumes would help bring the sensor price down.
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I agree - I see great potential in the technology. I have to wonder if noise performance at high ISOs can ever match bayer sensor standards though - it seems the way the sensor itself reads light may limit it from the get go for high ISOs... I could be wrong though
 
lynnb said:
What would be really nice is a Foveon FF sensor in an M9 body. The increased volumes would help bring the sensor price down.
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I have trouble associating full frame sensors in M9 bodies with substantially higher volumes sold.
 
lynnb said:
What would be really nice is a Foveon FF sensor in an M9 body.
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The problem is that Foveon sensors are more sensitive to the angle at which the light hits the sensor, so you'd run into more problems when using wide angle lenses on a RF with such a sensor.
 
The 46MP claim is bull****, but no more so than the Bayer MP claims, they are both counting the R,G and B as separate pixels, if Canon and Nikon can count them like that, why can't Sigma?
Like the M9, the Sigma cameras don't use a aliasing filter, so is theoretically much sharper.
The price seems insane, but I'd like to see some proper comparisons with it's competition before judging.

MT
 
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