eleskin
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I list the M10 at $10,000 not because it is worth 3K more than the M9. I list it because as the Dollar is being trashed by design, at the rate at which Gold, OIl, etc,, are going up, when the M10 comes out, $10,000 USD should be about right.
This is too bad for us all!!!!
This is too bad for us all!!!!
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krötenblender
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M10? Did I miss something?
Jamie123
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Quite possible. The dollar is taking a plunge right now. In relation to my country's currency (Swiss Franc) the dollar went down almost 10% in just a month and it doesn't look like it's stopping anytime soon.
hipsterdufus
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Big deal; spend your money on American goods for awhile until the dollar rebounds. Our economy can use your cash, too.
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user237428934
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Buying US cameras and lenses won't satisfy most RFF members I suppose.
Roger Hicks
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Hipsterdufus has it. Buy US goods while they're affordable. They'll go up soon enough.
The ridiculous thing is that the euro is weak (think Greece, Ireland, Portugal), but the pound sterling is even weaker, and the US dollar is no longer even the US rupee, but the US pice. For a strong currency, you start looking towards the Albanian Lek or the Turkish Lire...
Then again, I've seen it said that if California were an independent nation, it would need more of a bail-out from the Dollar-Zone than Greece needed from the Euro-Zone. People tend to forget that some GDP has to be taxed.
Cheers,
R.
The ridiculous thing is that the euro is weak (think Greece, Ireland, Portugal), but the pound sterling is even weaker, and the US dollar is no longer even the US rupee, but the US pice. For a strong currency, you start looking towards the Albanian Lek or the Turkish Lire...
Then again, I've seen it said that if California were an independent nation, it would need more of a bail-out from the Dollar-Zone than Greece needed from the Euro-Zone. People tend to forget that some GDP has to be taxed.
Cheers,
R.
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ChipMcD
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What would those be? Speed Graphics? Argus C3s?
Roger Hicks
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Keith Canham. And if you extend it to include other first-rate American photo products, Kodak, OpTech, Tenba (some, not all), Paul C. Buff, Tiffen (again, some, not all), BlackRapid...
Stop buying on price (imported Chnese rubbish with an American label), and buy on quality. You'd be amazed at how well, and how fast, US manufacturers can respond.
Cheers,
R.
x-ray
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I just purchased a new Linhof adapter from Linhof Studio in the UK for almost $100 cheaper than B&H wanted for it in the US. The rep at HP Marketing suggested buying from another NY dealer which was $300 higher than B&H. When I checked on price I fully expected it to be 50-100% higher than the US price.
As to the $10K M10, I don't see how they could sell it for that to more than a few folks. In comparison you can buy a 40mp Pentax medium format body for just under $10k. It more than pixels, it's about color depth, dynamic range and noise.
Turtle
Veteran
I agree with x-ray. While Leica will want to ensure its goods remain 'luxury' they wont commit suicide by pricing them into obscurity. The success of the M9 has allowed them the turnover to make the M10 more widely relevant. Potentially. While I am sure it will be very expensive, I would not be surprised if it is not much more, or not at all more, than the M9. I get the impression that the M9 made it clear how much potential demand there is a for a light, small RF with FF and if they make the necessary improvements and price it right, the M10 could have a more profound effect than the M9 did.
That said, lenses are increasingly absurdly priced, but perhaps thats because they have had to separate them further from Zeiss, with the latter having surely taken a big bite out of their lower end sales. The body is access to the system and, personally, I am not going to buy a used M digital that has stratospheric repair costs and I think there are other like me. New prices therefore have o be half sensible and $7K for the M9 is already testing anyone's sanity to the limit considering the use of the camera.
That said, lenses are increasingly absurdly priced, but perhaps thats because they have had to separate them further from Zeiss, with the latter having surely taken a big bite out of their lower end sales. The body is access to the system and, personally, I am not going to buy a used M digital that has stratospheric repair costs and I think there are other like me. New prices therefore have o be half sensible and $7K for the M9 is already testing anyone's sanity to the limit considering the use of the camera.
bizarrius
the great
this thread is so photographic.... 
They were on sale for $25 each last week. Did not get any, picked up 7 shirts and a pair of pants for a total of $80 at Penney's. This was at a regular store, not at the catalog outlet near the house.
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Nikon Bob
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I would not hold up buying Levi jeans as a shining example of supporting US workers as it seems the vast majority of it's production capacity is now outside of the US.
Bob
Bob
Roger Hicks
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Dear Bob,
Very true. I was holding it up as an example of how prices vary internationally, so that Americans aren't always as overcharged as they sometimes think they are.
Cheers,
R.
Roger Hicks
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People are being worked harder and harder so they can buy more stuff.
Of course it may be that most people would rather have more stuff than more time and tranquillity. But a good friend has just gone back to the United States, to an income several times as high as mine -- and I'd not swap places with him for a moment, nor would I have swapped places at his age (he's 7 years younger than I). From what he said, I suspect he might be happier with my lifestyle (again, at the same age) than I with his.
Cheers,
R.
Of course it may be that most people would rather have more stuff than more time and tranquillity. But a good friend has just gone back to the United States, to an income several times as high as mine -- and I'd not swap places with him for a moment, nor would I have swapped places at his age (he's 7 years younger than I). From what he said, I suspect he might be happier with my lifestyle (again, at the same age) than I with his.
Cheers,
R.
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Nikon Bob
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I like a relaxed lifestyle. That is why I retired at 56 from driving a forklift and took a reduced pension instead of going at 58. The worst day at home beats the best day at work anytime.
Bob
Bob
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I think this is completely true. Crazy.