Huss
Veteran
Is this nugget:
I have used the M10-R with the following lenses:
Apo-Summicron M f2 50mm
Apo-Summicron M f2 75mm
Macro Elmarit R f2.8 60mm
Noctilux M f1.2 Noctilux 50mm (thanks for the loan- you know who you are!)
Summaron M f5.6 28mm (modern version)
Summicron M f2 28 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 28 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 35 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 50 Asph
Tri-Elmar M 16/18/21 Asph
All these lenses worked really well with the camera and I haven’t seen any evidence of them being challenged by the extra resolution.
Many people have mentioned that M lenses will not be able to keep up with higher Rez sensors. I never bought that, as I didn't see any resolution issues when I adapted my M glass to my 47mp Z7.
It is a very cool thing - your decades old Leica glass will work great with the latest and greatest that Wetzlar has to offer.
The only other mfg that has this sort of compatibility is Nikon with its DSLRs, but now that they are moving to mirrorless that seems to be coming to an end. Having to use an FTZ adapter does not for a seamless experience make.
Great job Leica!
I have used the M10-R with the following lenses:
Apo-Summicron M f2 50mm
Apo-Summicron M f2 75mm
Macro Elmarit R f2.8 60mm
Noctilux M f1.2 Noctilux 50mm (thanks for the loan- you know who you are!)
Summaron M f5.6 28mm (modern version)
Summicron M f2 28 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 28 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 35 Asph
Summilux M f1.4 50 Asph
Tri-Elmar M 16/18/21 Asph
All these lenses worked really well with the camera and I haven’t seen any evidence of them being challenged by the extra resolution.
Many people have mentioned that M lenses will not be able to keep up with higher Rez sensors. I never bought that, as I didn't see any resolution issues when I adapted my M glass to my 47mp Z7.
It is a very cool thing - your decades old Leica glass will work great with the latest and greatest that Wetzlar has to offer.
The only other mfg that has this sort of compatibility is Nikon with its DSLRs, but now that they are moving to mirrorless that seems to be coming to an end. Having to use an FTZ adapter does not for a seamless experience make.
Great job Leica!
Everything people say about high res sensors is a myth. 40mp isn't that much more resolution than 24mp really.
KM-25
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In fact it is so little an increase that I can't see why they even bothered. Now 60-70MP with modern Leica aspheric glass might be a different story.
aizan
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24mp vs. 45mp is one standard paper size up, basically going from a 13” printer to a 17” printer. Kind of like 6x4.5 vs. 6x7.
gavinlg
Veteran
Can't agree more - some of the stuff is hilarious. Higher res means you need higher shutter speeds because you'll get more blur etc.
f.hayek
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When Nikon introduced the D800, they published a list of lenses able to resolve for a 36MP sensor. Many a Nikkor AF lens wasn't up to the task.
Kudos indeed for Leica.
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A more relevant attribute is the ability to safely crop more extremely and retain high detail.
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nickthetasmaniac
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Huss
Veteran
hah! I never looked at Pentax DSLRs, but you Sir, are correct!
Emile de Leon
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I heard the Sigma fp is pretty good w/Leica glass too..as in no cover glass..
tbhv55
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Yes, that's true... it's only ~29% larger (linear measurement), despite being 66.6% larger in area (megaPixels).
Of course, marketing departments don't want to quote the (lower) linear figure, when the megaPixels figure sounds a whole lot more impressive.
CharlesDAMorgan
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I really do have to say that the M10 in all its forms really appeals longer term to me as a digital system. The gigantism of other full frame systems and lenses, plus the need to use adapters has no appeal and the ability to use old Leica mount lenses is a real plus. Just need to sell my house!
Disappointed_Horse
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I always thought that list came from the marketing department and not the engineering department.
Huss
Veteran
Funny thing about Nikon's list, when they published what would be acceptable for the 47mp D850, is that the 24-120 VR 4 G lens was recommended.
A lens that many desk jockey experts pan.
I really like mine, and it works great on film and digital.
Back to Leica, I bought a beat up (crazy 'cleaning marks on the front element) goggled Summaron 35 3.5 off the RFF classifieds. Advertised as mint... But instead of sending it back I figured I'd test it first, and even with the sun in the frame it worked great on my M240. (I use it on an M3 but used the M240 to put it through it's paces).
So even an abused old Summaron works great - I then mounted it on my 47mp Z7 and it still was great!
A lens that many desk jockey experts pan.
I really like mine, and it works great on film and digital.
Back to Leica, I bought a beat up (crazy 'cleaning marks on the front element) goggled Summaron 35 3.5 off the RFF classifieds. Advertised as mint... But instead of sending it back I figured I'd test it first, and even with the sun in the frame it worked great on my M240. (I use it on an M3 but used the M240 to put it through it's paces).
So even an abused old Summaron works great - I then mounted it on my 47mp Z7 and it still was great!
That was silly... they didn't do the same for the D850?
Ronald M
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Yes, that's true... it's only ~29% larger (linear measurement), despite being 66.6% larger in area (megaPixels).
Of course, marketing departments don't want to quote the (lower) linear figure, when the megaPixels figure sounds a whole lot more impressive.
Excellent analysis. I came to similar when the MP race was hot. Now back on.
Huss
Veteran
They did. And said the much maligned (by internet 'experts') 24-120 VR 4G lens is suitable for the D850. For example.
Take away is that most lenses are better than most photographers.
I would love to see one image where a high megapixel camera shows a lens to be soft solely due to it being a high resolution sensor and not due to the lens just being soft in general.
noisycheese
Normal(ish) Human
Silliness.
If Leica's M lenses cannot keep up with the 40(ish) megapixel sensors of the M10 Monochrom and the M10R, how are the S lenses going to keep up with the 64mp sensor of their S3 cameras?
Dogman
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That Nikon list is a bit...overwrought. They were apparently so taken with their 36mp D800 they, shall we say, overstated.
I've used numerous old AI & AI'd lenses and some non-recommended AF and AF-D lenses with my D800 and D810 and they only show increases in resolution appropriate to the sensors. And I've never noticed any decrease in sharpness due to handholding either--this from someone whose hands are a bit on the shaky side. Maybe on higher mp sensors...with extreme pixel-peeping. None of which matters at photograph size levels.
I've used numerous old AI & AI'd lenses and some non-recommended AF and AF-D lenses with my D800 and D810 and they only show increases in resolution appropriate to the sensors. And I've never noticed any decrease in sharpness due to handholding either--this from someone whose hands are a bit on the shaky side. Maybe on higher mp sensors...with extreme pixel-peeping. None of which matters at photograph size levels.