The D700 at ISO 25600!

tom.w.bn said:
Weird noise artifacts here.

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Probably not so weird when printed. The rest is quite ok.

Edit: M8 at 2500 does not look so good.
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Nitpicking aren't we?
 
I opened the D700 files in photoshop which I don't generally use as a rule ... I normally PP with ACDSee Pro or Lightroom. Photoshop really cleans these files up without degrading them a lot ... I was quite stunned at how much more effective it is than Lightroom for removing noise!

I don't think I would ever make a habit of shooting the D700 at this high ISO though. Even in the darkest galleries I use it in I get away comfortably with 3200 or 6400 at f2. It makes you wonder where we'll be in five years from now though ... maybe the resolution the Nikon currently provides at 6400 will be available at 25600?
 
If you're hungering for something like this, go look at the specs on the D5100 released yesterday. I may have to start saving my spare change to get one later in the year. Couldn't justify the 7000, but its less expensive kid brother, perhaps. Thom Hogan has a write-up.
 
Wow I like it. The images have very pronounced noise but it looks quite like film grain. I would be happy to guy one if it can do this.
 
Keith said:
Version 2 Gav ... what's 3.2 ... an updated 3?

Can't afford version 3 at the moment though!
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Yeah it's up to v3.2 or something like that... When I upgraded to lightroom 3 from 2 it was like getting a new camera. I gained about 1-1.5 stops better noise performance on the 5d without any noise reduction. The noise reduction is also amazing - far superior to the lr2 NR.
 
Here's one of the previous images converted to black and white and more noise reduction added.

I'm not saying it looks like grain because I don't necessarily think digital should be attempting to mimick film deliberately in this way. The noise that remains in this image is not unpleasant to the eye in black and white IMO.


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I meant to add ... if anyone else has images shot at this ISO that they'd like to post here please do.

And even better still if they've been PP'd with LR3! 🙂
 
JSU said:
So true and what limitations they are. Please work with me here.
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We all have to learn to accept limitations, such is life.
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Yes, they are limitations unlike any before. But limitations nonetheless.
This is not a magic camera or the ultimate achievement of humanity. It's just remarkable by today's standards, and, to me at least, it's just as interesting to see what it can do as what it can't do. I will buy the next generation D700, not because I don't want or admire what the current one can do (limitations and all!) but because my current projects don't involve that much low light work and I can wait.
 
Wow, Keith - absolutely amazing. FF DSLR - clearly the new low light king. Even the noise looks acceptable - somewhat like film grain, and I like the aesthetic of these images in the same way I like grainy old Tri-X - but in color. Impressive.
 
JSU said:
The next generation Nikon sensor is in the D3S, which is at least one stop better in high ISO IQ compared to the D700/D3. The replacement for the D700 may or may not have this sensor or improved higher ISO IQ. IMHO it will incorporate HD video and a larger buffer. With the issue of video the D700 replacement may go to dual card slots which may also suggest a move to SD size cards to get more memory in a smaller form factor, compared to CF cards.
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I seem to remember seeing an image from a D3S pushed to somewhere just over 100,000 ISO when they first came out ... and it was similar to what I've shown here! 😱
 
Nikon Bob said:
Yea, that is some limitation. I wonder what colour film pushed to 25600 would look like in comparison. It makes me want to see how much better sensors can become several generations from now.
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Better does not always mean "cleaner."
It'd be a utterly boring if it were so.
 
Keith said:
I meant to add ... if anyone else has images shot at this ISO that they'd like to post here please do.

And even better still if they've been PP'd with LR3! 🙂
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I have one from Epson R-D1 ISO1600 + simple 4EV 😉
Not good like your Nikon.
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The high iso pictures are interesting, even impressive. However, for still life, as many of these pictures were, iso 100 and a tripod will give a much nicer outcome. The only thing I see such high iso useful for would be action shots in very low like conditions. Have you tried any of those? That would be telling of what the camera can do in low light. Otherwise, it's just an alternate mixing of iso, aperture, and shutter speed. One with enough problems that it's barely printable.
 
TaoPhoto said:
The high iso pictures are interesting, even impressive. However, for still life, as many of these pictures were, iso 100 and a tripod will give a much nicer outcome. The only thing I see such high iso useful for would be action shots in very low like conditions. Have you tried any of those? That would be telling of what the camera can do in low light. Otherwise, it's just an alternate mixing of iso, aperture, and shutter speed. One with enough problems that it's barely printable.
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I agree to a point but I also believe it's good to explore different looks within photography. I think the images from the Epson posted above are an example of this ... not everyone's cup of tea maybe but I really like them.

Of course the huge advantage of high usable ISO's as you say is low light action photography.
 
isorgb said:
I have one from Epson R-D1 ISO1600 + simple 4EV 😉
Not good like your Nikon.
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Excellent outcome here ... I like the look of these.

It totally gets away from that smooth, clean, sharp, digital pre-conception that the medium has pinned on it IMO.
 
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