GaryLH
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W/ the announcement of the dp0 Quattro and the 21:9 aspect ratio option.. This maybe the closest we may ever c to the Hasselbad/Fuji xpan type camera. The 45mm lens of the xpan was equiv to around a 22-24fov in pano mode while the 30 was somewhere between 15-17mm fov in pano is the way I remember it.
I am not sure if the Quattro is the only camera w/ that aspect ratio (21:9)..but it is nice to be able to frame in a pano aspect ratio as opposed to imagining what the end result will be when doing a stitch (multi frame) or crop to pano.
Anyway just throwing it out there. Any thoughts??
Gary
I am not sure if the Quattro is the only camera w/ that aspect ratio (21:9)..but it is nice to be able to frame in a pano aspect ratio as opposed to imagining what the end result will be when doing a stitch (multi frame) or crop to pano.
Anyway just throwing it out there. Any thoughts??
Gary
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I hadn't realised that the dp0 had that framing option ... what a sensible idea for that field of view.
Another reason why Sigma gets my vote as the most innovative Japanese manufacturer around!
Another reason why Sigma gets my vote as the most innovative Japanese manufacturer around!
Kate-the-Great
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Cropping is probably going to be the closest we'll ever get to a digital wide-format camera. There just isn't the demand to justify the immense cost of developing a 21:9 sensor for such a niche market.
That was nice of Sigma to put the option for in-camera 21:9 crop though! Does it flag the RAW images as cropped too or does that still have to be done manually?
That was nice of Sigma to put the option for in-camera 21:9 crop though! Does it flag the RAW images as cropped too or does that still have to be done manually?
GaryLH
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I will give it a play on my dp2q next week. I assume that the raw file has the aspect ratio info so that spp can make use of it.
Gary
Gary
GaryLH
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It appears all the Quattro dp cameras have the framing option.. I just checked my dp2 Quattro. I never bother w/ changing the aspect ratio, since the default 3:2 is what I always use..until I checked today.
Gary
darya151
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A 14mm - wow! Is this basically the same as a DP2 quattro, except that it is 21mm?
Thanks,
Darya
Thanks,
Darya
GaryLH
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Yep - 21 fov..
Gary
Gary
rbelyell
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anyone have a site? i cant find anything about this camera except speculation its an april fools joke...
Dan Daniel
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rbelyell
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thank you. pretty interesting. i was hoping for an optional evf, but i guess not. perhaps thats not as important in a super wa/pano cam...
GaryLH
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Had a chance to try shooting raw pano mode 21:9 on my dp2 Quattro recently. Spp 6 does retain the correct aspect ratio.. Confirmed by doing a default convert raw to tiff16 operation. Make sure that u upgrade to latest spp if u are using latest fw update (FYI).
I think I will pick up a dp0q when they become available... My digital xpan.
Btw, I came across this web posting today about the 21:9 aspect ratio on the Quattro.
http://www.soundimageplus.com/soundimageplus/2015/4/6/sigma-dp2-quattro-in-219-mode
Gary
I think I will pick up a dp0q when they become available... My digital xpan
. Btw, I came across this web posting today about the 21:9 aspect ratio on the Quattro.
http://www.soundimageplus.com/soundimageplus/2015/4/6/sigma-dp2-quattro-in-219-mode
Gary
Just started using the DP2 quattro this way and I'd have to say that the DP0 would probably be an excellent choice. The DP2 isn't the best due to its normal lens, but if I was able to stand far enough away, I was able to get great results. I'm on my work computer or I'd put up an example.
Obviously you are using jpeg and it crops to 13mp. However, with the resolution and detail of the Quattro's jpegs (compared to the mostly unusable ones from the Merrill), it works out really well even in jpeg mode. It's the only camera in which I trust the jpegs / sensor / lens in order to do this. I had just assumed that RAW wouldn't show the crop. Glad to know that it does.
dfatty
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neat stuff, would love to see an example when you're able. i may get a quattro once the price goes down, although i really dislike the shape. but the idea of a digital xpan is really attractive.
GaryLH
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The jpgs put of this camera is so good, I end up using the jpg about 90% of the time, if not more. The Merrill was a raw only camera for sure. Its good to hear u are doing better on your second try w/ the dp series.
Gary
rbelyell
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it looks like an interesting camera, certainly a daring play by sigma. no doubt the quality of images will be superb. and i'm certain its owners will love it.
but digital xpan? i love my xpan, easily my most used film camera. but it is more than a 'daring play', it is an engineering marvel, a one of a kind machine. i has a dual view big beautiful ovf. it is a true rangefinder. it has the versatility to also produce gorgeous 'normal' fov shots. it has top quality interchangeable lenses.
to paraphrase a failed VP candidate 'i know the xpan. the xpan is a friend of mine. dpo, youre no xpan'.
certainly this is not intended to dissuade anyone from using this or to in any way suggest it will not be a wonderful tool. if it had any vf option i'd have bought one already. i just dont see an xpan comparison beyond pano software+WA lens.
but digital xpan? i love my xpan, easily my most used film camera. but it is more than a 'daring play', it is an engineering marvel, a one of a kind machine. i has a dual view big beautiful ovf. it is a true rangefinder. it has the versatility to also produce gorgeous 'normal' fov shots. it has top quality interchangeable lenses.
to paraphrase a failed VP candidate 'i know the xpan. the xpan is a friend of mine. dpo, youre no xpan'.
certainly this is not intended to dissuade anyone from using this or to in any way suggest it will not be a wonderful tool. if it had any vf option i'd have bought one already. i just dont see an xpan comparison beyond pano software+WA lens.
We all know it's a stretch. You knew that already I should hope.
rbelyell
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sorry, i thought the point of the thread was to share opinions, thus the title-phrased-as-question. obviously, i misunderstood. please feel free to delete my post.
Nah, I wasn't saying that. I just meant we know it is not a X-Pan in regards to ergonomics, body shape, lens style, etc. However... the wide lens with a sensor capable of a 21:9 aspect ratio could be the closest to a film panoramic that we've seen in results.
GaryLH
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I have shot w/ wa and cropped as wells as done panos w/ sw.. While this will never be an xpan.. In today's world it could be the closest we will ever get in a digital form. I don't think there is a market for a pano form factor sensor..thus the closet could very well be the dp0 camera.
SW stitched panos are best done w/ static subjects. Cropped from wide angle need to imagine the look of the cropped pano. The dp0 shows u the aspect ratio via the LCD and is maintained thru to the tiff16 converted raw file. The metering that is used for the scene seems to be for the 21:9 aspect ratio whereas the other solutions need so adjustments to be made during shooting or post processing at times..
Gary
SW stitched panos are best done w/ static subjects. Cropped from wide angle need to imagine the look of the cropped pano. The dp0 shows u the aspect ratio via the LCD and is maintained thru to the tiff16 converted raw file. The metering that is used for the scene seems to be for the 21:9 aspect ratio whereas the other solutions need so adjustments to be made during shooting or post processing at times..
Gary
GaryLH
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Love my xpan..as well... But I hate scanning
. For health reasons..no more dark room work for me. Gary