The Edge of the Cheapo camera

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Now, that with solely thanks to the RFF, I am entering for the first time into the 60's Konicas and Yashicas, and take some break from my never ending Kiev Works, I can better see it.

Some two weeks ago I got a Konica Auto S2, which upon a misunderstanding I broke its nose, looking for the built in hood in a model produced without it. (BTW you will never learn unless you are ready to break) Did I felt suicidal? Nope. It costed over $50 including ship. Did I sent it for repair ? Nope. At such a price I can buy another, or better - one for parts. Did I put it aside ? Nope, at such a price I dared to surgeon it. I learned something new and made it operative again. Am I a dexterous mechanical mind ? Not at all and quite the contrary, relatively to the need, I am too impulsive. But I am still childishly curious. When I was a kid, the first thing I did whenever I got a new toy-pistol, was to hide behind the sofa and start disassembling it. Almost always never able to re-assemble again.

From that small Konica nose surgery I learned a lot: This is the first strategic advantage of the Cheapos. I will give the counter example. My most expensive camera is an OM4Ti, bought new from the store. Its winding handle has been gggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrs-ing from the start, in an hopeless wait for grease from the sky.
Can I open it and start learning about it? Nope, too much money at risk, too complex a mechanism, electronic btw. May I send it to a local wise repairman ? Nope, I do not trust the best one in my country to put his fingers in such a camera. He may fix that specific problem but create another in a 100 % perfect camera .

In my Kiev works I learned to smoothen everything I want, lube everything I want, adjust the RF metering, paint some parts, and make the most of these cameras, according to my present experience. Once you master the basics of your old, good and cheapo camera it becomes a quite different machine, a custom made machine, not for sale everywhere else, a priceless camera. The same is starting to happen with my new Auto S2. A custom mastered camera, is priceless because it doesn't depend anymore about its price, it is all about the knowledge you have got about it, enabling you to 'refurbish' whatever other similar camera you buy later. The auto S2 has a superb lens, mine one day will be a superbly smooth custom unique body too.

Price makes another edge for the Cheapos. Two years ago I went to a tour at Istanbul, a kind of those cities/situations in which you are saturated with photo opportunities beyond your own capacity. Did I take my superfast, supergood, multi spot metering OM4Ti ? Yes, you are right: Nope, too expensive to risk at unknown lands. Can I carry it daily at my backpack ? Nope, too expensive, too risky. Do I use it at all ? Yes, some times, provided no risks involved, interland only and within civilized situations (street shooting excluded). This is the second other edge of the Old, Good and Cheapos.

How much am I risking with a couple of Kiev 2a+4 lenses+2 UTFs? Let me see, 140+140+200+100= $580. (The Kievs are not to be held among the really Cheapos)

How much am I risking for the same kit, being it OM4Ti + OM4 ? 1000+500+500 for used lenses = $2000.

And what about the results, if in a strike of madness I took my 4Ti overseas ? Perhaps more pics with the newer gear, but about the same image quality.

The issue is not wether you are perfectly happy with your new superexpensive gear at home, hearing the clicks, but wether you dare to take it wherever you are, and also without being afraid it may be stolen at home.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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In my opinion, you shouldn't buy a camera that you are too scared to take with you. I've traveled quite a bit and have never had any problems using cheap or expensive cameras. I've been ripped off in a number or ways, had a watch ripped off my wrist and been in a number of potentially bad situations but have been mostly fortunate. I wouldn't think twice about putting my brand new (to me) Leica M4-P in my backpack and taking off to anywhere in the world. It would suck to loose it but it would suck worse to think that I didn't have the equipment I wanted to use with me.

However I think this is all about fear and comfort rather than actual value. I would bet to a potential thief an OM4 is the same as a Kiev or an old Konica, particularly these days. A $400 point and shoot digicam probably is a much more attractive item to thieves.

I think it's wonderful that you have learned to repair and customize your own cameras and that it gives you a more intimate relationship with your equipment. However from my point of view, if you lost a camera that otherwise would seldom see the light of day, it's really not much of a loss.

The worst experience I've ever had was not with having a camera stolen but with having my prints and negatives ripped off from right next to my head from a backpack in northern Baja Mexico. I had just returned from traveling for 5 weeks in Mainland Mexico and had stupidly brough my prints and negs along on a 3 day camping trip just over the border. Some thieves stole our bags from our camp and though I'm sure my photos were of no value to them, they were a monumental loss to me.
 
greyhoundman said:
Heck of a way to discover it doesn't have a hood. 😉

Ho greyhoundman, you are so consistent in ridiculizing yourself at my postings, time and again, that it makes me think you need a different kind of dog at your avatar. Did you know some Konicas Auto S2 were produced without built in hoods ? If yes, have you warned comrades at RFF about it ?

The real shout emanating from your throat, is quite obvious: do not dare to touch your camera, send it to me for repair. Don't you think you can do better by more amicable manners and more inteligent bussiness proceedings?

Cheers,
Ruben
 
$#@! ?!

$#@! ?!

ruben said:
The real shout emanating from your throat, is quite obvious: do not dare to touch your camera, send it to me for repair. Don't you think you can do better by more amicable manners and more inteligent bussiness proceedings?

Cheers,
Ruben

Yow. What just happened?


--joe.
 
ruben said:
Ho greyhoundman, you are so consistent in ridiculizing yourself at my postings, time and again, that it makes me think you need a different kind of dog at your avatar. Did you know some Konicas Auto S2 were produced without built in hoods ? If yes, have you warned comrades at RFF about it ?

The real shout emanating from your throat, is quite obvious: do not dare to touch your camera, send it to me for repair. Don't you think you can do better by more amicable manners and more inteligent bussiness proceedings?

Cheers,
Ruben


do you just look for arguments?
joe
 
back alley said:
do you just look for arguments?
joe

a) "I did not call you a flying elephant. It is american slang for something else"

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22510&page=3&pp=20



b) "Oiled the shutter and ribbons!
Alex-photo sells new ribbon material, put it on your watch list."

(http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23381)


c) "Heck of a way to discover it doesn't have a hood" (Here at the thread) .

This last remark atop the precedent ones, is purposedly offensive against me and against any other member with less than perfect technical knowledge or dexterous hands, intended to ridiculize a human mistake, not to joke together with me.

I am sorry to disturb some peoples nirvanas, but no matter technical different levels, or whatever other differences, I am not going to say it is raining when my face has been spitted. Nonetheless, when the insult, via myself, include other like me comrades as well.

Comradly rules of ideas exchange must be kept, not only at the exterior level, but at the essence as well. Does comrade Greyhoundman stands above the rules as to attempt to moke me three times, the last one here at this thread in front of your eyes, portraying me as a gross handed person ?

Sorry comrade back alley, but you are taking sides, and not on the basis of the best interest of the RFF comunity.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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calling me comrade is not helping your case any ruben.

g'man has been giving free advice and support to many people here at the rff since he joined.

he is not a business and has never advertised here.
and looking at what he chrages folks for his repairs/ sale of cameras i think he's nuts cause he's not making any money at it.
and he does not pick fights with other members which is what i see you doing.

joe
 
back alley said:
calling me comrade is not helping your case any ruben.

g'man has been giving free advice and support to many people here at the rff since he joined.

he is not a business and has never advertised here.
and looking at what he chrages folks for his repairs/ sale of cameras i think he's nuts cause he's not making any money at it.
and he does not pick fights with other members which is what i see you doing.

joe

Obviously you replyed so fast you have not even glanced at the threads where greyhoundman suddenly attacked me, out of the blue, I submitted for everyone consideration.

Secondly you have not answered why you take sides so fast, out of personal impressions, instead of as a moderator, and without taking into account the general RFF community instead of your impressions. I have no doubt comrade greyhoundman must have good virtues too to belong to the RFF comunity, and as a human being as well.

As for myself, I do my best to distinguish between jokes and unproper manners, affecting myself and via myself other members, according to the direction of the insult. Don't expect me to keep quiet in order not to disturb siesta.

Do expect me to react in the best interest of the RFF community, from which I am part with no less rights than everybody else. Within this frame we will find common language.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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Ruben mate, this is a forum, on the internet, about rangefinders... no need to get so het up - it makes me feel embarrased.

Anyway, back to the main point of the thread. I bought a Canon G5 digital camera back in May 2004, and I have to say I didn't enjoy using it all - "£400!!" I kept thinking whenever I took it out (£400 was a huge amount of money back then - still is).

So I carried on using my 20 year old Pentax ME Super...

That taught me never to spend money on something I'd be too afraid to use.
 
i did read the links you provided and found a complete misunderstanding of what g'man said.

none the less, you still seem to come from an angry place when you respond.

and the only side i am taking is mine.
i get tired of the rudeness on this site and would like it if ALL just calmed down before posting.
and as mod, it's my responsibilty to calm things if the participating members do not.

joe
 
back alley said:
the only side i am taking is mine.
I thought you should take the side of the RFF community as whole, its long range interests on comradely rules of communication.


back alley said:
i get tired of the rudeness on this site and would like it if ALL just calmed down before posting.
And you still pretend there was nothing offensive with greyhoundman's rude cynical and insulting remark AT THIS THREAD, IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY EYES, starting the whole mess. Sorry back alley but your understanding of rudeness seems to be at the ear level only. There is always a substance rudeness preceeding the exterior one.



back alley said:
and as mod, it's my responsibilty to calm things if the participating members do not.
joe
Nice. Then, why did you join greyhoundman in attacking me, by directing the following to me:
"do you just look for arguments?
joe
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No comrade back alley, greyhoundman made a mistake and you worsened it by taking sides out of friendship instead of facts, defaulting your duty as moderator, and against your verbal will to keep the forum calm.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
Hi Ruben,
I seem to remember a little while ago that Joe tried to take a Leica lens apart and blew out all the aperture blades with an air gun. I didn't see him taking offence at very many comments about it or indeed complaining that no one told him he shouldn't do it.

At the moment, I have a leica lens that I can't quite get back together 🙁 , I could have asked for advice before I did it but as I didn't, it is my fault and no one is the blame but me. If you asked about the hoods on S2's, I am sorry, I must have missed it. If not you can hardly say greyhoundman is at fault for not advising you if you didn't ask. As to Joe taking sides - it is an easy excuse but he was not the first member who commented on your response.

No doubt you will say that I too am taking sides because I am a moderator - so be it but in this case I think your responses are out of order.

Kim
 
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