The Holdouts

[Roger Hicks]

I've noticed the same look with my 6 and 7 MP cameras. Where does digital get a decent look? 10MP? 12MP?

I use both, so I find film vs. digital to be like hammer vs. screwdriver...

Dear Al,

Well, you know that one name for a hammer is a 'Birmingham screwdriver'...

Seriously, I quite agree. Play to the strengths of a given medium, instead of whining and snivelling about its deficiencies. Or instead of pretending that its rival has no advantages.

I had long heard that on theoretical grounds 18-20 MP was needed for a film-like look, and I have to say, the M9 suggests that the theory was correct. Obviously it's not like throwing a switch, so that (for example) 10 isn't, but 12 is. But to me, going from 10 to 18 megapixels -- quite big ones, and of course CMOS/CCD also have a different look -- was a revelation.

Cheers,

R.

 

[chris000]

You know, I never thought I would say this, but I'm missing Bill Mattock .....

🙂

 

[Keith]

Vegemite verses Marmite!

Now there's a thread topic that would keep us simple folk downunder amused for days ... forget film v digital! 😀

 

[benlees]

Vegemite verses Marmite!

Now there's a thread topic that would keep us simple folk downunder amused for days ... forget film v digital! 😀

Off topic by miles, but I always thought Vegemite was just Australian Marmite. Perhaps someone who has been brave enough to have eaten enough of the stuff can tell us about any (subtle) differences! :angel:

 

[semilog]

It is well known that Hitler used only digital cameras.

 

[pachuco]

I'm a fan of Nutella.

 

[peterm1]

Both vegemite and marmite are essentially the grunge that is scraped from the bottom of brewer's vats and put into bottles to be sold to people like me who do not know any better. But it puts hairs on your chest (or gives you curly hair depending on which version of the myth you adhere to) and if raised on it from the time you were a toddler in a cot you will eventually become tolerant to its taste.

While I have not tried Marmite for years, I actually really rather quite enjoy Vegemite (especially spread on hot buttered toast under a lightly poached egg - I do not know why this is so tasty but it is and do not knock it till you have tried it.)

If you do not know what I am talking about then think of Soy sauce in paste not liquid form, which is then used as a kind of condiment and for spreading on the aforemenitoned hot buttered toast. You will not be too far from the mark although the analogy is not precise.

The secret, by the way, to eating Vegemite is to spread it sparingly as its taste can be very over powering, espcially if you are unused to it.

And if you still think its weird that we like to eat something that is strongly flavoured, salty and black then stop to conisder the Russians and their caviar and you may understand why Aussies think of vegemite as being a poor mans equivalent for everyday use (without the vodka accompaniment.)

 

[sepiareverb]

I miss my airbrush.

 

[Keith]

I miss my airbrush.

I miss my hairbrush! 😛

 

[Sparrow]

It is well known that Hitler used only digital cameras.

It’s a rather spooky coincidence that he could have been helped by a drop of Marmite, Edward de Bono proposed it as the solution to the middle east conflict

 

[chris000]

I miss my hairbrush! 😛

I miss my hair! 🙁

 

[Sparrow]

[tone=smug] I still have both [/tone]

 

[amateriat]

Just read the entire thread in one quick go, then got PO'd, then got hungry, then lost my appetite really quick, then wanted to chime in about certain older digital cameras versus their current (and sometimes-inferior) counterparts, then speculate/pontificate on why I (still) mostly shoot film...but now I have a headache. Time for brunch...

And, thanks, Keith: a certain Men at Work hit will run around in my head the rest of the day on account of all that OT stuff. 🙄

(Oh, yeah: happy St. Pat's!)


- Barrett

 

[Sparrow]

Garrr … and my head now … but I’m taking a few down with me

"I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear, can't you …..

 

[ron1945]

Vegemite verses Marmite!

Now there's a thread topic that would keep us simple folk d ownunder a mused for days ... forget film v digital! 😀

is that a cheap japanese horror film😀😀

 

[EKJellytoes]

Why is it always a "digiguy" that starts this question off?

I just like film, and vinyl-records and tube-amps and horn-speakers and Leica cameras. .
OH!....and Vegemite!!

 

[Jamie123]

How anyone can put Marmite in their mouth is beyond me. And while we're discussing 'Brit food' (although Americans probably also eat this) what's the deal with 'brown sauce'? That has got to be the least original name ever. And it sounds like sh*t.

 

[amateriat]

Why is it always a "digiguy" that starts this question off?

Because they need love, too. 😉

I just like film, and vinyl-records and tube-amps and horn-speakers and Leica cameras. .
OH!....and Vegemite!!

Um...you six-foot-four and full of muscle?

(And, please, no discussion of horny speakers...we're on thin ice with the mods in this thread as it is.) 😛


- Barrett

 

[binky]

Coopers beer!

forget the brewers' leftovers...go for the fresh stuff! 🙂

 

[Steve M.]

Here it is in a nutshell

1 - Digital Color: Good. Easy. Cheap. No different looks as w/ film.
2 - Digital B&W: Not so good. Easy. Cheap. No darkroom/enlarger prints.
3 - Color Film in 35 mm: Good, but definitely not easy. It's easy to make bad. Lots of different looks depending on film. Can be grainy. Not cheap.
4 - Color Film MF and Larger: Smoooth. Beautiful. Different looks w/ different films. Expensive. Not easy.
5 - B&W Film in 35mm: Beautiful tones, lots of exposure latitude, deep blacks, can print on fiber paper in darkroom. Can be grainy, which is good! Not cheap. Not easy.
6 - B&W Film in MF and Larger: Smooooth grain. All of #5 above. Expensive

Asides: If you love the classic cameras, you won't be shooting digital w/ them.