The Leica Freedom Train Story

payasam said:
Leitz was not the only German business to have profited from military contracts. In the field of optics, if I remember right, the famous sister ships Bismarck and Tirpitz had Zeiss rangefinders. Certainly Leitz was not the only German business to have shown humanity in Hitler's time. Thanks for the documentation, Philippe and Ian.

Indeed. Hitler could not have waged war without the willing cooperation of the very advanced german industry at the time. The two ships you mention has a long list of suppliers that is like reading the 'The 500 largest German Industries'.

Since you mention it; whenever there are ditches dug here in Oslo, for repearing pipes, elcectricity etc. we still use heavy steel plates from Tirpitz to cover the ditches so the trafic can run over them. Some very heavy steel plates. Supplied by Krupp, I believe.
 
Terao said:
About slave workers in nazi Germany: ....And conditions weren't that different in the Land of the Free in the 30s, as conditions for workers on the Hoover Dam project reveals...
I think you gravely underestimate the horrors of being a slave worker for Nazi Germany. Only in Norway, a small and insignificant corner of occupied Europe during WWII, some 30.000 russian slave workers, mostly POWs, are burried. Brutally killed or starved to death when building the northern sector of 'The Atlantic Wall', a construction far less than any Hoover Dam. The responsible, mostly ordinary Wehrmacht officers, never faced consequenses.
 
Hi Olsen,

I agree with your basic sentiment that we should be careful about what we read into stories about history. Here's two minor notes:

Olsen said:
The story has some suspicious historical holes: Jews were free to leave Germany up until 1938. At least.
That doesn't really contradict the story. It means that some of its the more pathetic elements are probably fiction (I cringed at "the symbol of freedom - a new Leica"). It also means that Leitz probably didn't jump through hoops or risk his life to get people out, but that it was still nice of him to find them employment upon arrival in the US, something he wouldn't have had to do. Then again, it would have been stupid not to do it, because that way he got skilled and highly motivated employees for his US branch.

Olsen said:
I think you gravely underestimate the horrors of being a slave worker for Nazi Germany.
Forced labour worked in strange ways. There is currently a (rather inefficient) International Tracing Service in place in Germany that allows former forced labourers and their family members to track down data and documents from the period of the war. When we were in Ukraine last time, my wife translated a response from this service for the family of a man from the neighbouring village. He had been imprisoned in 1943 during the battles for Kharkov in eastern Ukraine and released in 1945 when the Americans took Munich. Firms could request forced labourers from the army's prisoner-of-war, and this way he had worked at a small gardener's shop in Garmisch-Partenkirchen in the German Alps (which shows that usage of slave labour was very widespread in Germany and not limited to big evil industry) until December 1944, when he was reassigned to the BMW factory near Munich, building BMW 003 jet engines. Relatives recalled that he didn't want to speak about this time too much, but that working and living conditions during the time at the gardener's apparently were bearable if not great, while at the BMW factory they were horrible. (This kind of thing is also why my father-in-law regularly has to justify giving his daughter away to a German; it's strange how these things still affect us sixty years later...) The weirdest thing is that during all this time this forced labourer was insured in the German state health and pension insurance system, the fees for that getting deducted from his pay, so that in theory if he fell ill he could have received free treatment (which obviously benefited the employer, who thus could keep his workforce in better shape, rather than the forced labourer himself) and, even weirder, if he had moved to Germany now he would have been entitled to regular German pension payments (in addition to whatever measly sums forced labourers may or may not get in compensation).

I've had very weird experiences in this respect here in Uzbekistan. The sheer number of Soviet prisoners of war during the war (something close to six million, of which at least half died) means that you still meet former forced labourers on a semi-regular basis. I've had several occasions here where I talked to old people on markets or in buses who, on learning that I was German, started speaking German with me, and when I asked them where they learned it they told me in a rather casual way that they had been slave labourers in Germany. (These are situations where I regularly have difficulties finding something to say that is not completely stupid.) Some of them were sent directly to Siberia after their liberation, more or less for no reason other than the diffuse danger of ideological contamination, so that they spent four years in camps digging trenches and building barracks in Germany and another ten in camps building railway lines and roads in the Soviet Union, all under forced labour. Sometimes you can just be amazed at what human beings will do to each other.

Philipp
 
Phillip,

Interesting read, but I don't believe that ex. slave workers are entiteled to german pension. After years of haggling the suvivors - in the late 80' and early 90' were entiteled to a small compensation, payed by the largest german corporations that prospered from the slave worker system. That's about all the 500 largest industrial corporations of today's Germany. We had at least one ex. prime minister here in Norway who was entiteled to such a compensation; Einar Gerhardsen. He sat in Buchenwald and laid plans for 'how to rebuild the nation after the war'.

We have a summer house in western Sweden. Here we know several ex.russian POWs that managed to hide in Sweden. They married and have 3.generation on i's way. Also; we know families that are decendants of german deserters that also married in Sweden and never went home.

- And we meet german tourists here in Norway who think that their grandfather was OK because he never faced any jailtime when he came home. The norwegian press has tracked down litterally thousands of germans up through the years who committed right out murders, and not neccessarily on orders, that later established themselves as successful businessmen and family fathers in the later 'West Germany'. And like in Germany; in countries like Russia and Usbekistan, those who committed crimes against their own people back in the Sovjet times are still living alongside with their victims.

My father (survived three landings in the Med, among others), appalled by the lack of respect for human life - from all sides, said when I was a young kid that 'there was facists on all sides of the war'. I had difficulty swallowing this when he lived, but I think that quite a few would agree with him today. Like ex.russian POWs that were sent to Siberia - Estonians etc. etc.

I am a businessman and do regular business with germans. I find most germans OK (not only that; Germany is the best functioning democracy today) and, indeed, the WWII is our common heritage. For quite a few years it was this 'don't mention the war'-atmosfare (Faulty Towers, remember?) between us, but today we can joke about it. The WWII was not our doing, we are all just victims.
 
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