The new Fuji ... are you buying new or will you wait and buy a used one later on?

The new Fuji ... are you buying new or will you wait and buy a used one later on?

  • I want it now so will buy new.

    Votes: 48 58.5%

  • I'll wait and pick up a used one and save some money.

    Votes: 34 41.5%
  • Total voters
    82
I'm trying to decide on new or used, M10, X200, or X2... or maybe a GXR MKII. It is such a difficult decision.
 
If I get one, it will be from an unhappy/unsatisfied beta tester.:D
I want to see these things in action - and lots of images from them - before I'll even consider making a purchase.
 
It's a lovely concept and form factor for sure. I can't see how it will work for me as a "normalish" shooter. I have an m8 and had long owned an rd1. Every time I tried to shoot a 25-28mm the subject isolation was not what I wanted. Combine that with percpective distortion at close range... Deal breaker. A 23mm f2 cropped to a 35mm just is not appealing even though I love the concept in every other way. Long winded way of saying. Good luck fuji but, pass.
 
I'll consider it when it's about $400 and if there's nothing more interesting at that time :)

Seriously, it'll produce digital images just like digital images from any other digital cameras with similar sensor specs. That's not challenging anyone's assumption, just my take.
 
I have no plans of buying one.....I am happy with what I have now......

that said, I am interested to play around with one and see how cool they are....

cheers, michael
 
NickTrop said:
Samsung NX 10 with pancake lens... But for the price difference I'd go with the Fuji... I get what you're saying, and your intentions may be good? And I don't mean to dissuade you...

However, anything bigger than a Minox, or an XA, or a little modern compact digicam with a retractable lens? It will soon not be a "with you all the time camera..." It's too big. After the "new toy" novelty wears off, you'll use it as much as your DSLR. It will get use, but it won't be on your person at all times.

In order to do this, the camera has to be so small and light you are not conscious of it, forget it's there. And taking it with you wherever you go is as "subconscious" as grabbing your keys or your cell phone.

This will be your everyday camera for a few weeks at best...

Betchya...

In my case, I grab the case and attach it to my belt when I get dressed in the morning. I forget it's there, not aware of it. And yes, that means I had to swallow my pride, "give in" to digital, and shoot with a very "uncool" soccer mom silver small sensor digicam or Nikon "Coolpix".

There's a reason why similarly sized film cameras stay on my bureau every morning and used for "events" and when I feel like shooting them... It's the same reason so-called "compact" rangefinders got trounced by point-n-shoots...

Nobody carried a Yashica GX, Oly RC, or even a Trip with them at all times... It's why the XA was a break trhough. And people didn't always have a camera with them until the plastic fantastics came out - with all their concessions, in the 80's...

We've been down this road before... decades ago.
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When I was commuting in Manhattan, I carried a D300 (and then D700) with me every day.

I then carried my Mamiya 7 with me... every day.

Now I carry either an OM-1 or Canonet with me every day.

The X100 will gladly step in. I love film, but for the convenience of a digital carry-everywhere camera, I'll make due. It'll be the convenience processing the digital files I used to get, with the convenience of carrying the small, old film cameras.

So yeah, I'll probably be buying one.
 
In and of itself, its a great camera. Finally, an updated dig RF-type fixed 35 with manual focus, a minimum of APS-C size chip, with nice retro looks and some manual operation (EV+/-, SS to 4000, f stop).
At the least i will investigate at the local dealer, but I'm pretty happy with my combo now:
an M8 with a CV Ultron Asph 28/1.9 and an RD1s with a Lux 50mm; so b/w them I have a 35mm/75mm set up. I could use the Fuji fixed 35mm to replace the M8/CV 28mm combo, but I would probably lose some of the feel and consistency that I have with the M8/RD1s combo.
One cool feature are the "film types" you can have on the Fuji: select Provia, Velvia, or Astia film effects. Cool!
 
How about not buying it at all? I own some fifty fixed lens cameras, and consistently fail to use more than two of them (and these both take medium format film, where the bulk and weight savings of a fixed lens camera are far more significant). I'd rather get rid of some 47 than get yet another...
 
NickTrop said:
Samsung NX 10 with pancake lens... But for the price difference I'd go with the Fuji... I get what you're saying, and your intentions may be good? And I don't mean to dissuade you...

However, anything bigger than a Minox, or an XA, or a little modern compact digicam with a retractable lens? It will soon not be a "with you all the time camera..." It's too big. After the "new toy" novelty wears off, you'll use it as much as your DSLR. It will get use, but it won't be on your person at all times.

Nobody carried a Yashica GX, Oly RC, or even a Trip with them at all times... It's why the XA was a break trhough. And people didn't always have a camera with them until the plastic fantastics came out - with all their concessions, in the 80's...

We've been down this road before... decades ago.
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The Nx 10 and 100 both have underwhelming sensors, and the 20mm is a 2.8. From the sample images the Fuji looks to have at least a 2 if not 3 stop advantage in light gathering abilities, and here in Reykjavik where half the year is dark, I need that. I think both of them are quite ugly, not that it matters much, but a little it does, and they are similar price range.

I borrowed a friend's canon S90, the ultimate pocket camera at the moment. Tiny tiny, raw, decent lens and sensor (for a compact) and while it was always in my pocket, I rarely used it because the image quality was just so far below what I want to work with in the digital dark room and eventually print (for the subjects I like to shoot, that is). So while I'll jump all over the first large sensor truly pocket camera, I think we're a few years off from that.

Well, like you said, we'll have to wait and see. I have carried cameras too large for a pants pocket, needing a coat pocket with me every day, before I got addicted to DSLRs and the image quality they bring. I also know a friend that does take his Trip with him everywhere he goes.
 
Ever since I started using rangefinder cameras with a selection of lenses, I grew fond of the 35mm FOV, so yes, the X100 does look like a very attractive offering. I often use my Hexar RF w/ 35mm or my Hexar AF in an easy to carry miniature messenger bag, so the x100 could very well be my everyday camera.

Having used various digital cameras over the last ten years, I have learnt to never buy a new digital camera immediately upon product launch, because the first firmware will be almost invariably buggy.

I'll buy new, but only after the first firmware update has been published.

I'm already preparing a list of gear that I will sell to finance the purchase, and I'm confident it will provide the necessary funds.
 
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NickTrop said:
This is a really cool camera, reasonably priced imo. (At least in the US...) However, I'm of the belief that, when it comes to digital:

- small sensor digicam output = small sensor digicam output
- APSC output = APSC output
- FF output = FF output

What this means, is that manufacturer, form factor - whatever, doesn't matter much and won't improve your photography. If the sensor size is the same in a $150 compact digicam, IQ will be practically the same in a near $400 digicam. The image quality of the Fuji will be virtually the same ballpark as my Nikon DSLR - both APSC. As much as I think this is a way cool camera, and I'm sure that it will take fine pics... there's simply no compelling reason for me to purchase one. Coolness factor and form factor simply isn't enough.
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I agree re: output quality, but you disregard ergonomics - if you can't get the picture in the first place, it hardly matters what the ultimate image quality will be like.
 
People talk about how nice it is to buy new Leica gear. Well I had to buy my Bessa used. All the lenses too. The only cameras I bought new was my 5D2, and my Voigtlander 40mm Ultron f2.

THe Fuji X100 I want brand spanking new. I'm going to have to save for months to afford one though, but it'll be worth it (if I delivers on it's promises on release, obvi). Till then I picked up a GA645 for super cheap. That and my Ultron outfitted 5D2 will have to tide me over until I can get my hands on the X100. Thank god they're not making them in limited numbers!
 
For me it depends on IQ. If it's high-iso capability is among the best of the APS-C bunch, that's one important point for the work I do. Second if autofocus speed. Doesn't need to match the D300/D700 3d focusing magic, but has to be quicker than my E-P1! If it meets those two goals I'll be very tempted.

For me carrying a camera with me all the time (in a bag of some sort) is just my habit. Size matters but not so much.

I however am also interested in a pro m4/3 camera that Olympus is rumored to be coming out with soon.

That should have a jump in high-iso performance and af speed as well for it to win my affection.
 
dreilly said:
For me it depends on IQ. If it's high-iso capability is among the best of the APS-C bunch, that's one important point for the work I do. Second if autofocus speed. Doesn't need to match the D300/D700 3d focusing magic, but has to be quicker than my E-P1! If it meets those two goals I'll be very tempted.

For me carrying a camera with me all the time (in a bag of some sort) is just my habit. Size matters but not so much.

I however am also interested in a pro m4/3 camera that Olympus is rumored to be coming out with soon.

That should have a jump in high-iso performance and af speed as well for it to win my affection.
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Example images have already been shown, and while they were jpeg only, it was really impressive iso 6400, regardless of sensor size. Blew the m4/3 stuff out of the water. Speaking of which, while there are some nice m4/3 lenses, and some ok bodies feature wise, none of the sensors are really that great at iso 1600 compared to the good crop sensors.

The only unknown at this point is AF speed.

As for cost, I just finished a nice freelance gig that could swing me an m9 body if I wanted, but going for the X100, a trip to mongolia and paying more on my house instead.
 
It seems to be the camera I've been waiting for and I don't expect it to be any worse than any other camera I use... so yes, I will buy it new. I hate DSLRs, so I'm a sucker for nice compact cameras.
 
I kinda agree with this. I sold my Canon S90 simply because it was 'only' capable of delivering the same types of pictures as all preceding P&S digitals. My lone issue with the X100 is that it's still a very wide angle lens attached to a medium sized sensor, and so DOF control will still be a bit limited. I'll wait to see what the first set of buyers can do with it before i'm really tempted.

I've looked for Leica M8+24mm images for inspiration, but the only ones that really demonstrate what i would want are the ones with the 24/1.4, and the Fuji's lens doesn't do 1.4. I would not like to have to shoot wide open all the time just to get foreground/background separation.

I'm not really looking at Image Quality. I'm interested in image QUALITY. I hope it's a smash, though, so they can get to work on a 50mm equivalent, and/or full frame. Or that a competitor is inspired by its success....


NickTrop said:
This is a really cool camera, reasonably priced imo. (At least in the US...) However, I'm of the belief that, when it comes to digital:

- small sensor digicam output = small sensor digicam output
- APSC output = APSC output
- FF output = FF output

What this means, is that manufacturer, form factor - whatever, doesn't matter much and won't improve your photography. If the sensor size is the same in a $150 compact digicam, IQ will be practically the same in a near $400 digicam. The image quality of the Fuji will be virtually the same ballpark as my Nikon DSLR - both APSC. As much as I think this is a way cool camera, and I'm sure that it will take fine pics... there's simply no compelling reason for me to purchase one. Coolness factor and form factor simply isn't enough.
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