The photography you do and the photography you want to do

As a hobbiest as opposed to a professional, I only do what I want to do. But I'm still not satisified. I want to branch out and do different things, as even doing what you want for long periods can still lead to a sense of boredom.

I'm with Frank. Maybe I need to do some nudes. But then again, I can't afford to hire a pro model, and I'm single.

Fortunately, the local tourist railroad is running an evening trip tomorrow. Much better light than the usual 12:30 departure...
 
I've always wanted to drive around the country and shoot junkyards and grain elevators. Sounds stupid, but I think it sounds like fun, and I don't believe it's hackneyed yet 🙂

On the other hand, I've always liked photos of cities, communities, other people. I've only recently been making a point to include strangers in my photos. I live near a metropolitan downtown, and have my pick of interesting subjects. It's just taken me a while to get comfortable enough to take pictures like the ones I like in my own neighborhood.

I think a person has to, at some point, learn to make something out of the resources they have at their disposal. Even if the nearest population center is a small farm town, there are so many opportunities to do "street phtography." And the reality I've found is many people actually appreciate having their picture taken by a stranger instead of being asked to move or stay out of the frame.

Honestly, it's taken me a while to find anything in my photos of people I don't know. But just today, I realized I'm now starting to "get it," and time will tell if I can put that on film.

If I was independently wealthy, I'd load up my car and cross the country shooting retired metal and monuments to farming. Since that isn't happening any time soon, I'm trying to take what I can get 🙂
 
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I also really like street, but feel like I want to have more control over the situation. I've recently been blown away by Jeff Wall and Philip-Lorca diCorcia, how they stage these shots that could set up, could be impromptu, but achieve the decisive moment. They're engineering these moments, like they're still frames from a movie. Amazing. I'd like to do more extreme portraiture and fashion photography as well.

But beyond that, I want to develop my own idea and vision, build a series around a concept, with a point of view. I've got some things in the works, but we'll see how it goes.
 
just go where the interests are!

just go where the interests are!



My question now is this: Is the type of photography you do the type of photography you want to do? Is your "favourites" folder filled with links to websites of photographers who do the same "genre" as you do. Or is it the opposite way? Are you a travel photographer with no money to travel? Do you like industrial landscapes but live in the desert? A street photographer not doing street photography because of your fear of getting mugged?

Let's hear it.


Yes pretty much so...initially I was sort of like you did stuff and later thought? why did I shoot that? In 1996 I decided to go to Thailand and shoot what I wanted, since then I have made several trips and photographed pretty much what I wanted to and what I loved to photograph.

I also love to photograph people so thats what I went ahead and did, its a matter of determination, chase what you love to shoot! Follow your heart do not make photos of things your not interested in, it is a waste of time!

New to this site so not sure how to put in my photos yet here but here is a link to my blog, website is also being built now.

Thanks guys love the site. Gerry

www.gerryyaum.blogspot.com
 
If you look at a lot of pictures, you quickly realize that it's possible to make a good photograph of just about anything. Whether visiting the great pyramids or sitting around your own backyard, there is material everywhere.

Yes, but to quote David Vestal: "The production of well-made photographs is not the point. Expression is the point."

Everywhere there are subjects that would make good photographs for somebody, but I don't want to be "somebody." I want to make photographs that have something to do with me in particular.

Yes, on the one hand that's hugely egotistical. But on the other hand, the world contains so many things to look at that I don't feel "generic" photographs are as interesting for most viewers as ones that reflect an individual viewpoint.

Photographers are an exception to that; we seem curiously fascinated with generic photographs. I think that's mostly because of how photographers are educated and motivated, and I suspect it's a key reason why we are susceptible to getting into ruts and becoming disenchanted with what we're doing.

For example, if you click over right now to the Pop Photo website, you can read a feature in which "experts critique reader photos." There's nothing really wrong with what the "experts" say about the photos, but the whole process seems to be based on how well each photo fits into some established genre: "This would be a better landscape photo if you did X." It's a bit like going to the dog show, in which there's a set of standards for the "ideal" dog of each type, and the actual real-world dogs are judged according to how far they deviate from those standards.

Don't get me wrong, it works great for dogs. But it's a lousy process for identifying pictures I'm going to be interested in seeing. Edward Weston made brilliant photographs of wet rocks at Point Lobos, and ever since then other photographers have been making Westonesque photographs of varying lesser degrees of brilliance of wet rocks at Point Lobos, and as I write this there's probably some photographer out there right now making photographs of wet rocks at Point Lobos. Maybe his photos will be 10% as brilliant as Weston's, maybe they'll be 50% as brilliant, maybe they'll be 99% as brilliant.

But I don't care. I'm just not interested in seeing an imitation of Edward Weston, even a 99%-perfect imitation. I'd a lot rather see the photographs that same guy might make because the subject is important to him, not because it's a subject that he's been trained to regard as "photogenic."

Unfortunately, though, most of the socialization process that photographers go through consists of training them to revere technical and artistic genres. That's why you can go to any county-fair photo contest and see dozens of pictures of stuff silhouetted against sunsets, trees arching over winding brooks, dogs wearing sunglasses, geometric patterns of roofs or stairwells, etc., etc. ad infinitum. Go to more ambitious venues and you can see equally doctrinaire collections of nude-and-glamour shots, angst-ridden street shots, and you-name-it. Even in fairly high-end contemporary art galleries you can see endless arrays of blurry Holga landscapes, mock-monumental macro shots of toys, and whatever else was getting written up in the New York Times two months ago.

And of course it's still possible to make very worthwhile photographs of any of these kinds of things. But to do so, you have to be motivated by something other than the typical conditioned-reflex response; "Oh, okay, a photographer can get attention and validation by making that kind of picture, and I can make one as good as this, so I will." That's only a slightly more complex reaction than a rat pressing a lever because he's learned it will make a food pellet come out. No wonder photographers get frustrated and jaded, pushing that lever over and over!

Mind you, I'm not saying that pursuing a genuine expressive passion is necessarily going to make you happier. I've concentrated my personal photography on the same subject area for more than 20 years, and I still feel engaged and challenged by it. But that just makes it all the more infuriating when the pictures in my camera don't measure up to the pictures in my head. There's always more I want to do -- spend more time, work in more environments, pursue more ideas -- and it's just not practical to do it all.


If you care about getting beyond the realm of "genericana," it's almost as if the choice is between being frustrated at not making the pictures you want, or being frustrated at not being able to do a good enough job of making the pictures you want. Maybe a choice of frustrations is the best we can expect out of this whole enterprise! Dang...
 
Pitxu said:
I live way out in the back of beyond, that's where I like to live, but would love to do some street stuff in NYC, Chicago or Washington. At the same time I suspect a lot of big city dwellers would pay good money to come and shoot landscapes here in the Pyrenees.


Sounds like a "vacation trading" opportunity to me!
 
This must surely be something we have all wondered, but the question is framed particularly elegantly in the original post.

The question seems to me to come close to the idea of a 'body of work' in fine art photography; or if you're being rude (see Shutterbug, January 2008), being a one-trick pony. The very idea of a 'body of work' is extremely dubious for the amateur.

If I look at my favourite pics over the last 40+ years, I see a wild variety of subjects and equipment: 35mm landscapes, 4x5 still-lifes, 6x7 inch church interiors, 35mm MF street photography, 8x10 portraits...

When I shoot, I can't really tell if I'm getting good pics or not. It takes a while to make up my mind -- and my opinions can change over days, weeks, months and even decades.

For the most part, I shoot nly what I want, though there are times (when lens testing, in particular) that I have to shoot what I can get to, not what most intrigues me.

But here are a couple of thoughts:

1 Increasingly, I distinguish between subjects that others photograph well, and subjects I photograph well. Admiring another's pictures does not mean that it makes sense for me to try to emulate them.

2 I get surprisingly many good pics in places I really don't like very much, such as Constantinople and China.

I'd be especially interested in others' experiences of the latter (good shots in places you don't like).

Cheers,

Roger
 
Roger, I'll agree about Istanbul. I was there in November, I enjoyed it but not the highest on my list. I just got tons of good images there (at least for me).

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This one even my family liked.
 
Roger Hicks said:
I'd be especially interested in others' experiences of the latter (good shots in places you don't like).

Can't do that one, since I seldom go anywhere I can't drive, and if I don't like someplace, I don't drive there.

But I i can tell you that some of my better performing-arts pictures have been of performances I didn't like. I attribute this to my brain's desire to distract itself by concentrating on photography, rather than having to pay attention to what's happening on the stage. Maybe the travel paradox has a similar origin.
 
Roger Hicks said:
I'd be especially interested in others' experiences of the latter (good shots in places you don't like).

Can't do that one, since I seldom go anywhere I can't drive, and if I don't like someplace, I don't drive there.

But I can tell you that some of my better performing-arts pictures have been of performances I didn't like. I attribute this to my brain's desire to distract itself by concentrating on photography, rather than having to pay attention solely to what's happening on the stage. Maybe the travel paradox has a similar origin.
 
I primarily shoot street, mainly from the hip. What I would LIKE to do is shoot at eye level a la Meyerowitz, but I suspect his location is a lot more liberal minded than northern towns where I ply my craft. I would also like to be in a real bustling metropolis where everyone is too busy to notice you, and by sheer dint of the size of the population interesting scenes are mathematically more likely to happen. I would also like to shoot more landscapes/urban pictures, partly as a means of slowing down. Can't manage it at the moment though, got this obsessive urge to be among people burning film. I'm chasing nirvana, although to be honest I'm unlikely to recognise it until I get past the other side. Got to slow down.

Cheers, Lol
 
jlw said:
...But I i can tell you that some of my better performing-arts pictures have been of performances I didn't like. I attribute this to my brain's desire to distract itself by concentrating on photography, rather than having to pay attention to what's happening on the stage. Maybe the travel paradox has a similar origin.
Brilliant!

Thanks.

R.
 
charjohncarter said:
Roger, I'll agree about Istanbul. I was there in November, I enjoyed it but not the highest on my list. I just got tons of good images there (at least for me).

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This one even my family liked.
Nice pic!

And surprisingly hard to photograph...

Cheers,

R.
 
My photography has no requirements. I don't depend on it for income and I don't use it as an attempt to impress others. Because of these factors, I can--and do--take pictures of whatever takes my fancy from day-to-day. It's very satisfying to be able to do this.
 
I really appreciate this thread because I am frustrated with my own photos. I spend time in very picturesque places and I shoot a lot of landscapes and nature photography but I am frankly bored with it. Not that I'm particularly good at it, but I'm just no longer interested.

I would like to shoot more PEOPLE, but I find that I am too timid to really get in and make the shots on the street that I want to make. I end up shooting inanimate objects and scenics. I guess it's like anything else: the only way to get good at it is to take some risks, go in and do it. Now when I'm out on the street and find myself pointing my camera at interesting patterns of parking meter shadows (or whatever) I tell myself: don't take the easy way out! Shoot something challenging!!

A nice compromise for me has been portraiture. I'm working with people, which is gratifying, and I can take my time and work with them (and the light) in a way that I'm comfortable with.
 
I cannot draw so I recently did a series of still life as cartoons with captions. That was fun. Also, I will challenge myself during a slump and do a series. I recently did stairs, hinges and even men's rooms. After a few of those something pill pop up and I'm off on another trend.
I guess that's my photo thing.
 
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