Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
You'd have to be hiding under a rock not to be aware of the current global refugee crisis, not to mention what is happening in Europe at the moment. This image appears to be softening the hardest of hearts and the attention it has received around the world is phenomenal.
And I'll mention straight up that this post is not about the refugee crisis itself because that could get very ugly very quickly here IMO ... its about this image and how many minds it is changing around the world about a humanitarian crisis that seems to be flying under a lot of people's radars.
As soon as I saw it I was reminded of the photo of the young Vietnamese girl, running from her burning village, covered in napalm. It bought the reality of the Vietnam war firmly into view for so many who had little clue about the horror of war itself.
And I'll mention straight up that this post is not about the refugee crisis itself because that could get very ugly very quickly here IMO ... its about this image and how many minds it is changing around the world about a humanitarian crisis that seems to be flying under a lot of people's radars.
As soon as I saw it I was reminded of the photo of the young Vietnamese girl, running from her burning village, covered in napalm. It bought the reality of the Vietnam war firmly into view for so many who had little clue about the horror of war itself.
lynnb
Veteran
Keith, a good analogy with Nick Ut's photo of the young Phan Thi Kim Phuc.
Powerful, indeed. These images humanise a tragedy.
Powerful, indeed. These images humanise a tragedy.
robert blu
quiet photographer
Images are powerful Keith, you are correct. In Italy there is still an on going strong debate if these photos have to be published or not.
Personally I only hope they can help to let people realize how dramatic the situation is.
Thanks for posting.
robert
Personally I only hope they can help to let people realize how dramatic the situation is.
Thanks for posting.
robert
dave lackey
Veteran
Yes, I have been under a rock yet I managed to see the heart-breaking photo yesterday. Keith, you are special and bringing this up shows your heart and caring spirit.
My only concern is that so many people have been de-sensitized over the past few years... I hope I am wrong. We all need to learn from this.
My only concern is that so many people have been de-sensitized over the past few years... I hope I am wrong. We all need to learn from this.
daveleo
what?
If an image can impress enough people in power, it can be a force for good.
But, truth be told, the behaviour of people around the world is just as awful as it's ever been throughout history, even though we have daily access to pictures as powerful as this one.
Note the cynicism and despair in my tone here.
But, truth be told, the behaviour of people around the world is just as awful as it's ever been throughout history, even though we have daily access to pictures as powerful as this one.
Note the cynicism and despair in my tone here.
dave lackey
Veteran
On reflection, it is a very good photo even without the in-your-face starkness of reality. I think the thousands of images preceding it and the millions of hours of desensitization around us in the form of movies, video games and such have tempered the hearts of most. How much good will a single photograph accomplish these days? I have no idea but hope never dies. It only takes one person to make a difference!
Maiku
Maiku
The image tells a story about the desperate lengths people will go to get away from war, famine and oppression.
The photo hits home because I have a three and five-year old. What would have I done? The same. I would have taken desperate messures to escape for the safety of my children.
In another forum, someone wrote (paraphrased) `this image is powerful as were the images of Rwanda and Kosovo, but guess what? We (the developed world) did nothing. We screamed and yelled to the high heavens about the actrocities, but did nothing to stop it. We are complicit too.`
The arguement now raging in Canada is about accepting refugees. I think it is a good idea to accept them, but accepting refugees does not solve the problem of why the parents took such risks to escape and why the boys died.
People will continue to flee because the risk of escape outway the dangers of civil war. So the why is known, so either the war continues and developed countries take in flux of refugees or the developed world takes a stand and stops the carnage in Syria stopping the need for refugees to flee.
Either way the developed world will pay huge somes of money resettling refugees or waging a war.
We know the why, now we need to find a solution.
The photo hits home because I have a three and five-year old. What would have I done? The same. I would have taken desperate messures to escape for the safety of my children.
In another forum, someone wrote (paraphrased) `this image is powerful as were the images of Rwanda and Kosovo, but guess what? We (the developed world) did nothing. We screamed and yelled to the high heavens about the actrocities, but did nothing to stop it. We are complicit too.`
The arguement now raging in Canada is about accepting refugees. I think it is a good idea to accept them, but accepting refugees does not solve the problem of why the parents took such risks to escape and why the boys died.
People will continue to flee because the risk of escape outway the dangers of civil war. So the why is known, so either the war continues and developed countries take in flux of refugees or the developed world takes a stand and stops the carnage in Syria stopping the need for refugees to flee.
Either way the developed world will pay huge somes of money resettling refugees or waging a war.
We know the why, now we need to find a solution.
johannielscom
Snorting silver salts
Yet I feel that the open debate in the media on whether or not this could be the 'iconic image that changes everything', does in fact deter attention from that very same result.
Back in the 1990's when a shell hit a market in Sarajevo, Bosnia there also was the question of the images (stills and footage) from the obliterated marketplace filled with dead bodies being capable to change the political debate in Europe. And in the end, nothing changed...
Typical case of where words to not add to the strength of an image but limit impact.
Back in the 1990's when a shell hit a market in Sarajevo, Bosnia there also was the question of the images (stills and footage) from the obliterated marketplace filled with dead bodies being capable to change the political debate in Europe. And in the end, nothing changed...
Typical case of where words to not add to the strength of an image but limit impact.
dave lackey
Veteran
It does make one wonder why some photographs actually make a difference and some do not.
A very sad story. This boy and his family could have gone to Canada as refugees if the Turkish government had recognised them as such. But unfortunately the Turkish government chooses not to officially recognise Syrians as refugees as defined by UNHCR. To officially designate Syrians as refugees would limit Turkey’s involvement in the Syrian civil war, when in fact the Turkish government has taken a decidedly anti-Assad stance.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-they-didnt-deserve-to-die-aunt-of-drowned-syrian-boys-speaks/article26214073/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/news-video/video-they-didnt-deserve-to-die-aunt-of-drowned-syrian-boys-speaks/article26214073/
Maiku
Maiku
GeorgeH,
The family faced opression in Turkey. The Turks do not want them there. The Turks would turn them back if the world wasn`t watching. Do some google searches to see what the Turks aren`t doing.
We are complicit because the developed world caused the situation and now we are turning a blind eye to the situation. Over a 100-years the developed world has played a leading role in disabilizating the region.
So either get out and take the refugees or go all in to stop the civil war to stop the flow of refugees.
The family faced opression in Turkey. The Turks do not want them there. The Turks would turn them back if the world wasn`t watching. Do some google searches to see what the Turks aren`t doing.
We are complicit because the developed world caused the situation and now we are turning a blind eye to the situation. Over a 100-years the developed world has played a leading role in disabilizating the region.
So either get out and take the refugees or go all in to stop the civil war to stop the flow of refugees.
sanmich
Veteran
Obviously, no one (decent, I mean) can stay indifferent to this picture.
What I wonder is if that kind of image can shake people only when they feel personally under menace by the problem.
Would Nick Ut picture had the same effect if the US military wasn't bleeding so much there?
Was this revolting image of a drowned 3 years old have the same effect if Europe wasn't feeling under the menace of the consequences of the Barbary unleashed in the middle east?
The reason I am asking is that what is going on there is pretty obvious. There is a genocide running there, and in central Africa. For years, mind you. Pictures of little children gased by the Syrian regime where published years ago. it was revolting but didn't prompted any significant reaction.
I think there are revolting pictures, and there are revolting pictures that are a direct and immediate menace to you, and these two are very different things (mea culpa, I don't think I'm different...)
What I wonder is if that kind of image can shake people only when they feel personally under menace by the problem.
Would Nick Ut picture had the same effect if the US military wasn't bleeding so much there?
Was this revolting image of a drowned 3 years old have the same effect if Europe wasn't feeling under the menace of the consequences of the Barbary unleashed in the middle east?
The reason I am asking is that what is going on there is pretty obvious. There is a genocide running there, and in central Africa. For years, mind you. Pictures of little children gased by the Syrian regime where published years ago. it was revolting but didn't prompted any significant reaction.
I think there are revolting pictures, and there are revolting pictures that are a direct and immediate menace to you, and these two are very different things (mea culpa, I don't think I'm different...)
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Interestingly my son's mother was a Hungarian refugee and was in fact a registered alien and effectively stateless. When we got married she had to apply for NZ citizenship before they would grant the marriage license.
Maiku
Maiku
GeorgeH,
I see that you are from Hungary. I am sure that you see the reality and can separate the reality from fiction posted to the internet. But, as jonmanjiro pointed out with the Globe and Mail article it is fact that Turks refuse to acknowledge the Syrians as refugees, so the Syrians want to escape to somewhere they feel safe and wanted.
I do not feel guilty at all. It is a reality. The Syrian Civil war is another episode in history.
I see that you are from Hungary. I am sure that you see the reality and can separate the reality from fiction posted to the internet. But, as jonmanjiro pointed out with the Globe and Mail article it is fact that Turks refuse to acknowledge the Syrians as refugees, so the Syrians want to escape to somewhere they feel safe and wanted.
I do not feel guilty at all. It is a reality. The Syrian Civil war is another episode in history.
Antielectrons
Established
The actions of the Hungarian government are disgraceful. We dont want this sort of racism in the EU.
Aristophanes
Well-known
Yet I feel that the open debate in the media on whether or not this could be the 'iconic image that changes everything', does in fact deter attention from that very same result.
Back in the 1990's when a shell hit a market in Sarajevo, Bosnia there also was the question of the images (stills and footage) from the obliterated marketplace filled with dead bodies being capable to change the political debate in Europe. And in the end, nothing changed...
Typical case of where words to not add to the strength of an image but limit impact.
They hunted down and prosecuted those responsible. And that process is still ongoing.
The political debate c and legal machines move and change slowly, but we cannot assume that there will be instant gratification but a steady process toward enlightenment and justice.
We must take the long view. This is one haunting and tragic image that will help in a long and enduring process.
Have faith.
Lauffray
Invisible Cities
I for one would welcome some info from someone actually there, as opposed to just press articles. Please elaborate on these differences (I'm not being snarky)
Well the rational argument has been going on for a while and hasn't gotten very far. The guilt is irrational if you think about this as Europe's problem and Turkey's fault and the father's irresponsibility, but this is a humanitarian issue, that is: as societies, as people, are we ok with things like this happening and us not doing anything ?
The fact that they're Afghan or Syrian or that it's happening in Europe is irrelevant, it can happen to anyone anywhere, when **** happens it comes down equally on everyone, and I can assure you most people assumed nothing bad would happen to them and all of those would much rather be at home safely than in unwelcoming foreign lands.
It's easy to practice armchair philosophy from my safe and cozy Canadian city, but I was born during a war and went through another one and there's stuff you don't forget
nongfuspring
Well-known
After this images was published it received a lot of online attention in my home country and seemed to provoke a number of petitions calling for an increased refugee quota. The government recently tried to reduce the annual refugee intake has since backed off indicating they are reviewing that decision. It's a terrible image, but I'm glad it has provoked some genuine reflection.
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Lets relocate Syria to Canada. Will this do it?
By letting in refugees it is not going to be fixed at all. One million of Syrian refugees is in Turkey now. Taking thousands in is humanitarian, but I would call it politically humanitarian.
Some people will never realise what people are living in very different countries and cultures.
Why it is happening in Syria, Irag or Russia?
Because majority of those who lives here are allowing this.
And where are two way to solve it. People who lives in troubled country have to fix it. Or people from outside.
I'm aware of only two outside fixes which were successful.
Atomic bombing of Japan and surrendering of their fascist supporting rezime.
And entering Germany by millions of soldiers before Japan to bring down Nazys and entire German nation to normal humans level.
Is where any "us" ready to repeat? Not just drones and airstrikes and few peacekeepers or commandos killing civilians?
And even if we enter. How to bring end of the war. Why Muslim, Jewish and Christians used to live together in Syria and what force took them apart.
Is it as simple and single as German Nazyes?
Lauffray
Invisible Cities
Having governments respond to such issues earlier and not pretend like nothing is going on would be a good start.
Having countries who aren't directly confronted with it offer help, because it's everyone's problem.
Stop acting surprised at the outcome of escalated military involvement.
(Spoiler, our current government failed on all such fronts)
But also, smaller scale actions like individual donations and perhaps the hardest thing: changing individual reactions from refusal, suspicion, blame to reason and empathy.
The reaction so far has been human, but also unacceptable.