John Bragg
Well-known
I have recently been evaluating my collection of cameras, and doing some remedial work on light seals etc. I have been using my Leica M6 almost exclusively for the last decade and it was only when I got out my Olympus OM1n cameras that I realised how much I enjoyed using them before I got the Leica. I was thinking of doing a one camera and one lens thing with the 35mm Zuicko f2.8 and see what happens from there. It is a focal length missing in my Leica outfit and may be ideal for such an exercise in minimalism.
edodo
Well-known
less is more, but when you think about it, it speaks about material things but also spiritual matters.
Like Diane Arbus said, if you stick with one subject. Just one subject, then you will succeed in "unfolding" it.
Less doesn't mean absolutely no idea, you've got have ideas, there's no great painting or photo without great ideas! Just don't get confuse with too much ideas, just focus on the most important to you. My 0.02€
Like Diane Arbus said, if you stick with one subject. Just one subject, then you will succeed in "unfolding" it.
Less doesn't mean absolutely no idea, you've got have ideas, there's no great painting or photo without great ideas! Just don't get confuse with too much ideas, just focus on the most important to you. My 0.02€
hawkeye
steve
edodo
Absolutely correct. Continuing with my musician metaphor may I add that musicians also find one subject or in this case sytle or period of music, to focus on and to try to know well.
And isn't the task of a musician repeatedly practicing the same sonata or jazz phrase to get into it deeply. To take one idea one thought and to view it from as many angles and aspects as possible. To know it and then to present it in perhaps a new way.
Similarly as a photographer by concentrating on one subject over and over I can hope to truly see it and just maybe add to it.
But I disagree about there needing to be great ideas. At this point I am happy to see ANY ideas in the photgraphy I see around me and often in my own.
Hawkeye
Absolutely correct. Continuing with my musician metaphor may I add that musicians also find one subject or in this case sytle or period of music, to focus on and to try to know well.
And isn't the task of a musician repeatedly practicing the same sonata or jazz phrase to get into it deeply. To take one idea one thought and to view it from as many angles and aspects as possible. To know it and then to present it in perhaps a new way.
Similarly as a photographer by concentrating on one subject over and over I can hope to truly see it and just maybe add to it.
But I disagree about there needing to be great ideas. At this point I am happy to see ANY ideas in the photgraphy I see around me and often in my own.
Hawkeye
Andrew Sowerby
Well-known
edodo & hawkeye, you're talking about concentrating a fewer subjects, which is different from using less gear. Or do I misunderstand you?
hawkeye
steve
Andrew
No, I am still talking about less equipment. As I wrote earlier my rehearsal exercise is to go out with one camera and one less. And as well going out trying to see one subject.
For example going out to photograph kids playing baseball with my CL and the 40mm normal lens and trying to find the small gestures that reflect visually the tensions or stresses or excitement of the player. The camera and lens limit me a lot but also force me to really work on finding images.
Does this make sense/
Hawkeye
No, I am still talking about less equipment. As I wrote earlier my rehearsal exercise is to go out with one camera and one less. And as well going out trying to see one subject.
For example going out to photograph kids playing baseball with my CL and the 40mm normal lens and trying to find the small gestures that reflect visually the tensions or stresses or excitement of the player. The camera and lens limit me a lot but also force me to really work on finding images.
Does this make sense/
Hawkeye
If I wanted to catch small gestures on individual players that reflect tension or excitement, I would grab a short telephoto. I would not grab a CL, as the VF mag is low or just the 40, as the small gestures could be lost with a wide-angle lens. I would probably grab the Canon P or Nikon S3 and the relevent 10.5cm F2.5 Nikkor. Grab two cameras, one with a 35 or 50, the other with the Telephoto. All Fits in one medium sized compartment case.
mh2000
Well-known
I guess I'll admit to all three. 
I love beautiful old cameras.
I love the satisfaction of learning to use them all to best advantage.
In the end, it is my photos that count.
I love beautiful old cameras.
I love the satisfaction of learning to use them all to best advantage.
In the end, it is my photos that count.
mh2000
Well-known
PS When I am out shooting, I am nearly always out with one camera and one lens. This intrudes less in the way that I approach photography... the doing part.
Gumby
Veteran
Re: Hawkeye's post 26 and Sweeney's post 27.
Brian's right (as are most people named Brian). I've been doing kiddie baseball shooting for several years, generally with either a Nikon SLR and 85mm or a Hassy and 150mm. Neither combination is really sufficient -- too short for almost any shot that depicts "small gestures that reflect visually the tensions or stresses or excitement of the player" I've had better luck with Nikon SLR and 80-200 zoom, which I'll be using at the next game. Even that makes it a bit of a stretch to adequately photograph kids on 2nd, whatever base is on "the other side", or in the outfield.
Brian's right (as are most people named Brian). I've been doing kiddie baseball shooting for several years, generally with either a Nikon SLR and 85mm or a Hassy and 150mm. Neither combination is really sufficient -- too short for almost any shot that depicts "small gestures that reflect visually the tensions or stresses or excitement of the player" I've had better luck with Nikon SLR and 80-200 zoom, which I'll be using at the next game. Even that makes it a bit of a stretch to adequately photograph kids on 2nd, whatever base is on "the other side", or in the outfield.
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Spider67
Well-known
"Imagine the freedom of no camera, no lens, and better still, no computer. I think it would be great for you."
Interesting suggestion and it hits the point exactly: HBC and Man Ray in their last years both spent much time drawing and painting .....after they reached enlightenment through photography. Just look up some Japanese Masters of the sword who also hat their "satori" and never needed or used their swords afterwards.
OK on that scale: I would be 3(once 6)/5/9.
The problem is that category b and c often get mixed up in a bad way and when you decide to go out spontaneously ....and you spent about 15 min's to thing which camera to take..
But OK I am sure ...that a guy will chim in who sez that evrything changed since he uses a shoebox with a pinhole (which will become afad and we will have lomography guys selling luxury shoeboxes for 50 $+)
Interesting suggestion and it hits the point exactly: HBC and Man Ray in their last years both spent much time drawing and painting .....after they reached enlightenment through photography. Just look up some Japanese Masters of the sword who also hat their "satori" and never needed or used their swords afterwards.
OK on that scale: I would be 3(once 6)/5/9.
The problem is that category b and c often get mixed up in a bad way and when you decide to go out spontaneously ....and you spent about 15 min's to thing which camera to take..
But OK I am sure ...that a guy will chim in who sez that evrything changed since he uses a shoebox with a pinhole (which will become afad and we will have lomography guys selling luxury shoeboxes for 50 $+)
bmattock
Veteran
'Once they reached enlightenment'. Saint HCB is it, Guru Man Ray now?
MartinL
MartinL
Imagine that! Navel gazing on a Philosophy of Photography Forum. Try Calamine lotion.
bmattock
Veteran
Yeah. Imagine reading comprehension skills.
This is not the 'Narcissism of Photographer' forum...
Spider67
Well-known
......Come on do I really have to put " before and after the word enlightenment?
:angel:......and well since there are enough people pronouncing "HCB" in a very reverend way Saint is quite close to the truth. The only thing missing is a proper miracle like "after meditating at HCB's grave I had a whole series of people jumping over puddles on a roll of film i just bought and did not use!"
whereas "Guru"(somthing like a teacher) is exact when you think about the people he influenced like Lee Miller who was his student and his lover (Which to my mind is very very guruesque)
Steve Williams
Established
You raise an important point about narcissism -- one that I have been quick to apply especially when listening to some artist's talk about their work in terms of process. It took me awhile to get past my simplistic application of the term as a dismissal to people who didn't allow their work to "speak for itself". I know a lot of people think artists and photographers are narcissistic but my experience is I find them more often full of self doubt and loathing. The narcissists seem to appear more regularly in politics and business and not art.
That aside I think there are strong feelings against asking those big why questions about work and process and it often does get labeled navel gazing. For me, that gazing has been helpful once I was able to accept that most of the time I was flying along on intuition and luck with little idea of why I was making the choices I make.
Has it made me a better photographer? Yes. Would it make everyone a better photographer? I have no idea.
If I were a golfer, I suppose it would be a dozen bags of clubs and I'd select a set for a particular course. Some of them would be hacked in the basement. I don't play golf. I can hack lenses, and modify them the way I like. I would have taken out the 300mm F4.5 Nikkor-H for that baseball game.
But if you want a minimalist approach from a real professional, buy the 12th Edition "Leica Manual" by Lester and Morgan. Alfred Eisenstadt wrote a chapter, and advises a Leica with 35, 50, and 90.
Eisenstadt stated:
"For 95 percent of my pictures I use a 35mm Elmar lens. When the light is good, I can usually stop down to F6.3 or F9, at which setting it can be used as a fixed-focus lens. I usually have with me two Leica cameras, one equipped with the wide-angle lens, one with a 50mm Summitar".
So, what does this establish? Eisenstadt was a great photographer, and he selected a reasonable outfit for photography.
And prices on Barnack Leica's are way down, as are prices on a 5cm f2 Summitar, 9cm F4 Elmar, and 3.5cm F3.5 Elmar.
But if you want a minimalist approach from a real professional, buy the 12th Edition "Leica Manual" by Lester and Morgan. Alfred Eisenstadt wrote a chapter, and advises a Leica with 35, 50, and 90.
Eisenstadt stated:
"For 95 percent of my pictures I use a 35mm Elmar lens. When the light is good, I can usually stop down to F6.3 or F9, at which setting it can be used as a fixed-focus lens. I usually have with me two Leica cameras, one equipped with the wide-angle lens, one with a 50mm Summitar".
So, what does this establish? Eisenstadt was a great photographer, and he selected a reasonable outfit for photography.
And prices on Barnack Leica's are way down, as are prices on a 5cm f2 Summitar, 9cm F4 Elmar, and 3.5cm F3.5 Elmar.
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Solinar
Analog Preferred
Start with a small bag. A 28/2.8 Canon, a 50 and a 90 with a single body is how I often do it while on the road. In truth, I'd be better served with just the 28 and a 50 on two bodies.- with one body for indoor work and a second for Sunny 16. I rarely reach for the 90.
Solinar
Analog Preferred
Steve, your choice of transportation has probably fired up those synapses in the brain that induce you to reach for what is small light and basic, since you are not riding a full blown road bike with side bags and maybe one on the tank. By comparison a motorized scooter is relatively small, light and basic.
I have been mostly riding a 30 year old 10 speed to commute to work for the past 12 years and recently picked up a beefier bicycle with an Shimano inner 8 rear hub. Even with saddle bags, I usually reach for one of my folders before heading out the door.
I notice when I do a road trip in my VW Westfalia - the synapses fire a little differently. I tend to reach for at least four lenses, plus 3 bodies, because I'll have the option to shoot 35mm, medium format and digital. Throw in a full sized tripod and I'm like Brian at the golf course.
I have been mostly riding a 30 year old 10 speed to commute to work for the past 12 years and recently picked up a beefier bicycle with an Shimano inner 8 rear hub. Even with saddle bags, I usually reach for one of my folders before heading out the door.
I notice when I do a road trip in my VW Westfalia - the synapses fire a little differently. I tend to reach for at least four lenses, plus 3 bodies, because I'll have the option to shoot 35mm, medium format and digital. Throw in a full sized tripod and I'm like Brian at the golf course.
> Men's egos drive all these markets, and fast, large-super expensive lenses are no exception.
Last year at Cherry Blossom time, we went on a picnic at Meadowlark Gardens in Northern Virginia. I took an uncoated CZJ Sonnar 5cm F2 converted to LTM, on a Canon P. (I mark the bag of photo's with what was used). I also use the CDS light meter that came with the Polaroid 180. I was very happy with the results.
Almost everyone else had their BIG Multi-MegaPixel Macro-Zoom Monsters out, ring lights, etc, crouching to get close-ups of every Blossom.
I was the only one using a lens that I made myself. (Manly ego-trip)
Not from that Day, but with the same setup.
I could have taken any number of macro-lenses with an SB-29 ringlight and an SLR or DSLR. Could have photographed the Blossom in infinite detail, and in monochrome or color Infrared. The Sonnar seemed like a better choice. I could do 95% of my photography with it.
Last year at Cherry Blossom time, we went on a picnic at Meadowlark Gardens in Northern Virginia. I took an uncoated CZJ Sonnar 5cm F2 converted to LTM, on a Canon P. (I mark the bag of photo's with what was used). I also use the CDS light meter that came with the Polaroid 180. I was very happy with the results.
Almost everyone else had their BIG Multi-MegaPixel Macro-Zoom Monsters out, ring lights, etc, crouching to get close-ups of every Blossom.
I was the only one using a lens that I made myself. (Manly ego-trip)
Not from that Day, but with the same setup.
I could have taken any number of macro-lenses with an SB-29 ringlight and an SLR or DSLR. Could have photographed the Blossom in infinite detail, and in monochrome or color Infrared. The Sonnar seemed like a better choice. I could do 95% of my photography with it.
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hawkeye
steve
Brian
You are missing the whole point. Using one lens forces you to think and move-physically move around. A long lens lets you sit on the sidelines and "obseerve". Shooting with a 40mm lens is contrarian to using a long lens. That is the point. To stretch by doing what you are not supposed to.
Using a normal or even a wide lens forces me to literally get up close and personal with the subjects.
Hawkeye
You are missing the whole point. Using one lens forces you to think and move-physically move around. A long lens lets you sit on the sidelines and "obseerve". Shooting with a 40mm lens is contrarian to using a long lens. That is the point. To stretch by doing what you are not supposed to.
Using a normal or even a wide lens forces me to literally get up close and personal with the subjects.
Hawkeye