The Two 50mm Heliar Lenses: Any Tests Done?

The Two 50mm Heliar Lenses: Any Tests Done?

  • I choose the 50/2.0

    Votes: 86 62.8%
  • I choose the 50/3.5

    Votes: 51 37.2%

  • Total voters
    137
  • Poll closed .
Thanks, Calzone -- A positive attitude is more pleasant for everyone around. (Helps get cooperation from photo subjects too). I had some t-shirts and sweat-shirts made up with the UN symbol for radiation hazard, more entertaining than the standard US symbol... With the added words "Caution - Hot Stuff!"

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Cool logo, Doug.
I agree with you that having positive attitude is more pleasant for everyone around...
 
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This is with the Nickel Heliar f2 at Tokyo Disney World a couple of weeks ago. Bessa R3M and Neopan 400 Presto, "Souped" in HC 110 dilution 1:60 for 12.5 minutes.
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Looks very good, Tom! One thing you might be able to clarify is the meaning of that "V" hand gesture in this sort of context...
 
It could be just a young people "thing" or it could be asign of victory or it is just saying "peace".

No clue.
 
Thanks, Maggie! I figured it had some cultural significance among young Japanese having their pictures taken, as that's the only group and context where I'm seeing it.
 
Thanks, Maggie! I figured it had some cultural significance among young Japanese having their pictures taken, as that's the only group and context where I'm seeing it.

Oh, here in Nebraska we were doing that in photos right up until the late 1990's. But even after that, my nieces bust out that move now and then.
 
Calzone,
In a recent RFF thread, I compared over 20 50mm lenses, which included both Heliars and the rigid Summicron. All three lenses mentioned above did remarkably well.

Raid, I don't seem to be able to find that tread; can you give a link ?

Thanks,
Stefan.
 
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75668

Go also to smumug.com and search for FERIDER (This is Roland). There, he has a section on the results.

Willdo. Thanks ! I'll start reading now.

I'm after a Heliar 3.5 on auction, and I have three Heliars 2.0 now; two of these are part of the the R3M and R2M 250 ann. sets (resp. black and silver). I should start selling the black lens, since I have two blacks, but I don't like to break up the R3M set (which is black). If I sell the "orphan" black one, I'll have to start using the R3M set, which is mint in the box right now, and I might sell the whole set later, since I have a M6TTL coming ... Sigh ... decisions, decisions, ... :eek:

As you can guess, weather is lousy here, otherwise I shouldn't be at a computer ...
 
Use the pretty camera sets

Use the pretty camera sets

Willdo. Thanks ! I'll start reading now.

I'm after a Heliar 3.5 on auction, and I have three Heliars 2.0 now; two of these are part of the the R3M and R2M 250 ann. sets (resp. black and silver). I should start selling the black lens, since I have two blacks, but I don't like to break up the R3M set (which is black). If I sell the "orphan" black one, I'll have to start using the R3M set, which is mint in the box right now, and I might sell the whole set later, since I have a M6TTL coming ... Sigh ... decisions, decisions, ... :eek:

As you can guess, weather is lousy here, otherwise I shouldn't be at a computer ...

I have an olive Bessa T with 50/3.5 set, but I am using the lens a lot, and the T will also soon be used after Eddy Smolov checks the RF in it for allignment.

These cameras are there to be used. I suggest that either selling a set or using it would be a good way out of the worry what to do about it all.

Modern film cameras will not increase in value while film developing is being slowly dismantled.

I am at the computer, while outside the weather is amazingly good. In fact, I can see from here the waters of Escambia Bya,just across the street.

The kids are watching on TV a movie on Jasmine (for Easter).
Later in the day, we will leave our home, and then I will take some photos.
 
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See posting Nr. 110. The Summicron was also excellent. I had the rigid Summicron in the test.
 
How does the Heliar f2.0 stack up against the 50mm Summicron?

I own a 50 Rigid Cron and 50/2.0 Rigid Heliar. I say the lenses are differant enough to keep both.

I love the 50 Rigid Cron because it is like two lenses in one. Wide open and stopped down one stop it is a great portrait lens because of the softness in the corners, but it is a really sharp lens in the center. To me this is how the world appears to me and how I see. This effect seems to become more prevelant as I age. Stopped down at F4.0 or more the softness in the corners is gone. I like shooting this lens on overcast days and for lower contrast on my negatives.

Much of what I like in the Rigid Cron is present in my Nickel Rigid Heliar: the soft corners wide open and stopped down one stop, but sharp all the way across by F4.0; the smooth transition betweed sharp and OOF; and pretty pretty bokeh.

The differances that distinguishes the Heliar are: moderate contrast while the Rigid Cron is low; flare resistance where the Cron is full of surprises; and the Heliar performs well under harsh/high contrast lighting with low coma. Also under dim/flat lighting the Heliar produces a negative that almost looks like it was shot under a strong key light in an amazing way. In many ways the Heliar is a better lens, but I love my Rigid Cron for it's personality.

The softness that some posters suggest is likely due to the way the Heliar renders. The transition between softness and sharpness is very diffused and I beleive some posters interpet it as being soft, but I find it pleasent. To me, this is the signiture of the Rigid Heliar.

Perhaps other posters who call the 2.0 Heliar soft are use to the edgy sharness of ASPH while I'm a guy who appreciates the old/retro look (hard edged vs. blending).

CV did a great job of mixing and combining the old and the new. While not over-built and as heavy duty as a Rigid Cron I like the build quality and the half-stop detents. The focus and handling is also fast.

At F4.0 the differance in my negatives in contrast can help determine which lens was used, the look is kind of similar, but wide open or just one stop down the looks are pretty differant. Both have this OOF rendering that is lovely, very smooth, but distinct. That is why I am glad I have both.

Calzone
 
Calzone, very interesting and thoughtful comments! I've never had a 50 Summicron.
 
Calzone, very interesting and thoughtful comments! I've never had a 50 Summicron.

I have to be humble. Raid's lens testing is very extensive and led me to getting both Nickel Heliars, and now I have three 50's.

Thanks again Raid.

Cal
 
I choose the 50/F2 Heliar

I choose the 50/F2 Heliar

I love the classic out of focus look it gives. Reminds me of a old sonnar 50/F1.5, but with more pop in the plane of focus
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