jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Guess what I just found at my favorite shop just now? An absolutely mint Summaron 35/3.5, one of the early ones with removable goggles. It looks like it left the factory yesterday- and that at 300 Euro! :angel: The only downside is that that the rear lenscap is Minolta M 
Hektor
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Well done Jaap, a delightful find, -- are you going to put it on an M3...?
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I sure do. But the removable goggles make it suitable for my M6 and hopefully future digital M as well
Hektor
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You'll be looking for the leather case to keep the goggles in now.......!
Stu W
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Will that lens still focus properly without the goggles?
Hektor
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Yep, it was made to be used like that.
M3 - goggles on
M2 etc. - goggles off.
Simple !
M3 - goggles on
M2 etc. - goggles off.
Simple !
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Todd.Hanz
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I have the same lens, you must use the goggles to focus properly, trust me. The lens was made for the M3 but works the same on all M bodies.
Todd
Todd
Hektor
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I don't agree, - I stick to my statements........
What do you say Jaap, it's your lens ?
What do you say Jaap, it's your lens ?
FrankS
Registered User
I have no first hand experience, but I have read that lenses with googles will not focus properly without them. Richard?
richard_l
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There was a thread about this not long ago. I thought the issue was settled. (At least my explanation went unchallenged.)
Hektor
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I don't think its any thing to do with the focus, - it's the frame lines that are wrong, - you just move the pre-select lever, or make a mental estimation.
That lens has an engraved focussing scale, and if you set it to 1 meter, then any M body you put it on will register one meter on the rangefinder 'cause it follows the projection of the cam on the lens.
If you find this hard to believe, then consider the lens to be a 50 summicron. If you set the scale to 1 meter (or infinity), you can move it to any M body you like and the rangefinder will show 1 meter (or infinity) just the same.
The principal holds good whether it's a 50 or a 35, neither the body, nor the rangefinder care, only the viewfinder frames need to be changed.
If you put every leitz M lens on every M body with the lens on infinity, in every possible combination, all pictures will be sharp, and every rangefinder will show infinity.
The same holds for 1 meter.
That lens has an engraved focussing scale, and if you set it to 1 meter, then any M body you put it on will register one meter on the rangefinder 'cause it follows the projection of the cam on the lens.
If you find this hard to believe, then consider the lens to be a 50 summicron. If you set the scale to 1 meter (or infinity), you can move it to any M body you like and the rangefinder will show 1 meter (or infinity) just the same.
The principal holds good whether it's a 50 or a 35, neither the body, nor the rangefinder care, only the viewfinder frames need to be changed.
If you put every leitz M lens on every M body with the lens on infinity, in every possible combination, all pictures will be sharp, and every rangefinder will show infinity.
The same holds for 1 meter.
SolaresLarrave
My M5s need red dots!
I had read about the Summaron f2.8 that it works for the M2 without goggles, and with them for the M3, but then I may be wrong.
There is a Summaron for the M2, sans goggles. And IIRC, it's an f2.8.
In any case, whether with or without, for the price, it's a sweet way to start a weekend!
There is a Summaron for the M2, sans goggles. And IIRC, it's an f2.8.
In any case, whether with or without, for the price, it's a sweet way to start a weekend!
Hektor
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Richard_I, I just found and read your thread with interest, - this a very interesting situation,
I wonder what Jaaps findings will be ??
I wonder what Jaaps findings will be ??
richard_l
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Hektor
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Hmmm, I've just looked in a Leitz catalogue and they definately made bayonet 35mm summaron with removable goggles, clip-on clip-off, not a screwdriver job. and the literature refers to use with M3's and M2's.
Perhaps those lenses are sustantially different from the ones where you have to use a scredriver to take the goggles off ???????.....we shall see....!!!!
Perhaps those lenses are sustantially different from the ones where you have to use a scredriver to take the goggles off ???????.....we shall see....!!!!
Hektor
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Well, I have some more information for those who are interested. I thought I remembered correctly that some 35f3.5's had clip on/off removable goggles and so after searching through the pile I found one.......!!!!!!
And there is BIG NEWS, if you unclip the goggles the focus is locked at infinity..... !!!!!!!!
So you can use the lens without goggles on your M2/M6 etc, but only with the focus set to infinity.
This explains why if you have one of the later ones with goggles which are fixed on with screws, and then remove the screws and goggles the focussing is inaccurate....!!!!!!!
I wonder which sort Jaap has.......???????
And there is BIG NEWS, if you unclip the goggles the focus is locked at infinity..... !!!!!!!!
So you can use the lens without goggles on your M2/M6 etc, but only with the focus set to infinity.
This explains why if you have one of the later ones with goggles which are fixed on with screws, and then remove the screws and goggles the focussing is inaccurate....!!!!!!!
I wonder which sort Jaap has.......???????
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Todd.Hanz
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That is the type I have (I have to use the goggles). They come off the lens with a finger screw, I think mine is the latest version "M" mount made in '58 or '59.
Todd
Todd
Hektor
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Todd, when you take the goggles off, is there a little chrome pip sticking up from the goggle mount ?
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Todd.Hanz
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Yes, when depressed you can turn the focus ring, otherwise it's locked at infinity like you mentioned.
Todd
Todd
Hektor
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OK, your lens will work with specs on anything, - you already know that.........
If you take the specs off and leave it set on infinity it will also work correctly on anything, EXCEPT you will have to manually select the 35mm brightline frame. (I'm a bit hazy on CL's but they don't count).
Next if you take the specs off, AND you wish to focus closer than infinity, youshould depress the pip and use scale focussing, - it will be accurate on any camera. You will still have to select the 35mm frame manually.
So there you are, you have it in a nutshell, you can use your lens on any camera with the specs off providing you follow the above.
..........Whether anyone would want to is a different matter entirely............
If you take the specs off and leave it set on infinity it will also work correctly on anything, EXCEPT you will have to manually select the 35mm brightline frame. (I'm a bit hazy on CL's but they don't count).
Next if you take the specs off, AND you wish to focus closer than infinity, youshould depress the pip and use scale focussing, - it will be accurate on any camera. You will still have to select the 35mm frame manually.
So there you are, you have it in a nutshell, you can use your lens on any camera with the specs off providing you follow the above.
..........Whether anyone would want to is a different matter entirely............
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