Three Winogrands from a closet

[Roger Hicks]

Damn 40!! You really got my mind rolling (and I have other things to do)

I rather discuss photography and leave these issues to research because they are barely understood.

My approach is neurological: some do and some don't. There is a difference at the most basic level. People that don't spend their lives attempting to accumulate others' resources tend to take good pictures.

If someone wants to waddle around in the pseudo-criminal legalistics of property and resource consumption, that's fine.

But know that this is what war is made of: the annexation others' property and often their selves. The WIPO** directly (and openly) descends from the accumulation of land by the wealthy throughout time through annexation.



**World Intellectual Property Organization

Eh?

You mean you're quite happy to produce a piece of work, and then have someone steal it?

OK if you're doing it for a hobby, maybe, but professional writers, photographers, composers, musicians, computer programmers, poster designers, patent holders, inventors, painters and others will disagree.

I must be misunderstanding you, as no sane person could hold the views that I think you wrote.

Cheers,

R.

 

[crawdiddy]

Hey y'all

Thought you might like this. Gary Winogrand was my upstairs neighbor during my youth, and my mother used some of his discarded prints for garden club posters. They somehow survived and here they are. I will make better copies sometime in the future.

~~John

What are the sizes of these prints? I assume they're fairly large, if your mother saved them for use as poster board.

They're really cool.

 

[35mmdelux]

At least in the US, works of art are automatically copyrighted without having to register them. The message was just a reminder that you can't sell the images (say, to a magazine or stock agency) without permission. However, you can certainly sell the physical prints for however much you can get for them.

Nothing in the United States is "automatically copyrighted." Patents and intellectual copyrights is a very big unresolved issue; if so, music could not be played on the radio stations without paying royalties. No royalty pmts are tendered today.

It's sorta like buying a DVD. By law, you can't use that DVD to run your own movie theater or resell copies of it; you only get property rights over the physical media itself.

The words to music are specifically copyrighted by the artist or agent.

 

[kermaier]

I think the second and third photos are excellent... and way to diss Winogrand & Arbus. The trick isn't in taking a bazillion photos. The trick is in picking the good ones!

No kidding! IIRC Szarkowski estimated that Winogrand died with a quarter million frames on developed negatives that he'd never gotten a chance to edit.

Ari

 

[WoolenMammoth]

The words to music are specifically copyrighted by the artist or agent.

lyrics, music composition and the recording of the performance are three distinct and separate copyrights.

 

[john_van_v]

Please, this is MY thread I don DON'T like intellectual property dribble !!!

NO! NO! NO! Now that I live in the country and have become a red neck, I have a gun and have committed to protect the public domain from intellectual annexation-- with YOUR life!

Also, I don't like to hear that "market has chose digital" either, as 35mm is alive and well in disposable cameras.

 

[crawdiddy]

Please, this is MY thread I don DON'T like intellectual property dribble !!!

NO! NO! NO! Now that I live in the country and have become a red neck, I have a gun and have committed to protect the public domain from intellectual annexation-- with YOUR life!

Also, I don't like to hear that "market has chose digital" either, as 35mm is alive and well in disposable cameras.

"Rage, rage against the dying of the light."

Know your rights, defend your thread!

R.I.P. Krishna

 

[35mmdelux]

Please, this is MY thread I don DON'T like intellectual property dribble !!!

NO! NO! NO! Now that I live in the country and have become a red neck, I have a gun and have committed to protect the public domain from intellectual annexation-- with YOUR life!
.

I thought you were Winogrands neighbor? He lived in the USA. You say "Now that I live in the country"...meaning you did not live here previously. What gives?

 

[Melvin]

I thought you were Winogrands neighbor? He lived in the USA. You say "Now that I live in the country"...meaning you did not live here previously. What gives?

He now lives in a rural area?

OP, thanks for sharing.

 

[35mmdelux]

Thanks, and thanks OP for sharing this awesome find. I pack and I dont live in the country;-0

 

[blw]

The original post started with "Y'all" which is widely allocated to my good southern brethren- as well as I use it often. And he also refers to himself as a redneck. You might like to think he has relocated from wherever in the world to the southeastern US.

Of course he could have got all that from the internet. As for the origin of the photos, the museum in AZ confirmed that these 3 were taken in London and Paris. It was also stated earlier that Winogrand spent some time in Europe.

But of course, this is all semantics and I'm glad this thread was ressurrected yesterday so that I could see it.

Thanks John_van_v!

 

[MISH]

thanks for sharing the photos ......... how about some tales what it was like to have him upstairs.