Tips for cleaning the rigid Summicron 50

Dez

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I do not know if the newer versions of the Summicron 50 lens are constructed in the same way as below, as I have only worked on the original rigid version, and the Dual-Range one which differs only in its focusing mount.

As most people know, the old Summicron lens comes apart by merely unscrewing the optical block from the mount- no setscrews or retaining rings involved. It is also well known to anyone who saw Brian Sweeney's excellent thread on the subject-

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95882

-that the Summi comes apart at the aperture position by unscrewing the two halves of the optical block.

I recently bought a cosmetically near-mint DR Summicron from a very well respected vendor on ebay, one who tends to have conservative ratings. This lens was a bargain, as the vendor indicated that it had internal patchy fog issues. As with most lenses, fog tends to occur on the surfaces adjacent to the aperture blades, and the Summi is rather notorious for this.

When I got the lens, I did see moderate fogging, probably not really enough to worry about, but enough that I wanted to clean it. Unscrewing the two halves of the optical block, however, is much more easily said than done. I tried the usual methods, gripping the surfaces with rubber sheets or a split rubber stopper, but had no luck at all.

So I invested in the proper tools, ring wrenches sourced from Micro-Tools, and which they call Flexi-Clamps. Their part number FLB-17B 1.62" wrench is perfect for the front of the lens. The FLB-13B 1.19" wrench fits the larger diameter of the rear part, just behind the aperture ring, and FLB-12B, 1.12", fits the smaller diameter farther back on the rear group. These wrenches are beryllium-copper, so will not mar the surfaces. Using the two larger wrenches, the lens came apart immediately with no fuss at all.

I am pleased to report that all the fog was on these glass surfaces, and it came off with no trouble with very gentle use of ordinary lens cleaning fluid, and canned air. The lens has a small amount of dust between other elements, but I suspect that taking the lens completely to bits would be far more trouble than it is worth.

So to anyone wanting to get the best they possibly can from their old Summi, I would heartily recommend getting the wrenches and digging in. It is a very easy job with the right tools, and really frustrating without.

Cheers,
Dez
 
My efforts at DIY are limited by the delicate balance between my being too cheap to pay someone to do an easy job, and my laziness about undertaking a more complex one. Chicken-heartedness plays a role somewhere as well.

Cheers,
Dez
 
My efforts at DIY are limited by the delicate balance between my being too cheap to pay someone to do an easy job, and my laziness about undertaking a more complex one. Chicken-heartedness plays a role somewhere as well.

Cheers,
Dez

It's like mushrooms, Dez, only pick the ones you know to be not poisonous ....

Congrats on the Summicron job, I've cleaned several myself. It's a very valuable lens when clean (since it works on the M9, too), the first Mandler lens, and a super user ....

Roland.
 
This one is a dual-range version, and sadly it doesn't work on the M9. I am told there's some interference with the close focus cam. But what a magnificent piece of brassmongery it is.

First Mandler lens??? Does that mean my beloved Summicron is actually Canadian? Beauty, eh?

Cheers,
Dez
 
This one is a dual-range version, and sadly it doesn't work on the M9. I am told there's some interference with the close focus cam. ........

Dez - true it won't work on the M digital's without surgery, but you could look for this adapter that would allow you use the lens head without interference
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/SOMKY
There's actually 2 parts you need - both shown - the lens head screws into that tube labelled UOORF - your lens in closeup is then essentially the same as your complete DR with goggles. Works with the regular rig and also (without the UOORF) the first version of the 50 Elmar
 
Interesting gadget. Would I be correct in thinking it would only be usable in a close focus mode? According to Ken Rockwell, who has tried it, the problem with the dual-range on the M9 is that it won't focus further than 4m without having the focus cam hit something inside the mount.

Cheers,
Dez
 
I stumbled across this thread yesterday, and used a strap wrench from Micro-Tools and a piece of grippy material to separate the two halves of the optical assembly, very simple indeed. I have a DR Summicron that had a ring of haze on the surface right behind the aperture, so that cleaned right up.

It looks like there's more haze on either the front surface of the rear element, or the back surface of the group immediately in front of it. It seems as if I should be able to use a spanner wrench on the retaining ring for the rear element, and hopefully the rear element will then come out without too much trouble. A suction cup may be required.

Any others' experiences on this would be most welcome.
 
Hi, Nick. I suggest reading Brian Sweeney's note on Summicron disassembly; there's a link in the original post. It looks like it's all doable if you are careful. I quit after cleaning out the usual bad actor surfaces- there's a bit of dust but not worth the trouble.

Cheers,
Dez
 
Thanks! I didn't see anything in Brian's note describing removal of the rear element, but it seemed straightforward. In any event, I tried to loosen the retaining ring and couldn't budge it; I have a spanner set with interchangeable heads that's very versatile, but it's long so more prone to twisting. I figured discretion is the better part of valor here, rather than marring any lens surfaces.
 
M9 plus DR Summicron works perfectly in close focus. I had to remove the stabilizing bar at the back of the goggles, but others have not needed to.
 
Yes, I am told that the M6TTL and later cameras are a bit taller than the older ones so the little peg would need to be removed. My budget doesn't allow me to use something like the DR Summicron as a closeup-only lens, so my concern is that it could not be used on the M9 as a general purpose lens. Of course, since my budget doesn't allow an M9 either, in my case it's moot!

Cheers,
Dez
 
Hi all,

A little bit off topic here.
My Rigid lens just arrived. While the cosmetic is beautiful, the elements has some strange spots that pop up when I shine a flash light through.

I did take test roll and the result is wonderful. However, I wonder if anyone know what kind of that spots is? In addition, is it easy to get it fixed (if worth)?
Thanks!

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Looks like pitting, that is damage to the coating and maybe also the glass beneath. If its only the coatings, it will most probably not show in the pictures, if the glass is affected it might show when shooting against the light. I was in a similar situation and returned the lens in question. The crowd was however very much split over the question if that warrants a return or not. If you have the possibility, test the lens and decide for yourself. It will definitely harm future resale value, but of course you have to take your purchase price into consideration.

see here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108482

Hi all,

A little bit off topic here.
My Rigid lens just arrived. While the cosmetic is beautiful, the elements has some strange spots that pop up when I shine a flash light through.

I did take test roll and the result is wonderful. However, I wonder if anyone know what kind of that spots is? In addition, is it easy to get it fixed (if worth)?
Thanks!

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Looks like pitting, that is damage to the coating and maybe also the glass beneath. If its only the coatings, it will most probably not show in the pictures, if the glass is affected it might show when shooting against the light. I was in a similar situation and returned the lens in question. The crowd was however very much split over the question if that warrants a return or not. If you have the possibility, test the lens and decide for yourself. It will definitely harm future resale value, but of course you have to take your purchase price into consideration.

see here:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108482

Thanks, I also think that it's coating wear. I tested a roll and the result is perfect for me. I bought a combo of this lens and a M2 for $1,050 so I guess I have nothing to complain though! By the way, in your case did you keep that lens? I include a recent photos taken by this lens


old woman with her dog by kiemchacsu, on Flickr
 
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