Tmax 3200 in daylight?

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I just got 26 rolls of expired Tmax 3200. Not really sure why :D I've shot the film before and liked it for low light applications but I'm not planning on shooting anything at night in the near future. I was wondering how this film handles in daylight? I was thinking of pulling it down to 1600 or 800, does anyone have experience pulling this film? Just curious to see some samples.
 
I always rate it at 1600, but process with the 3200 triming. You should be able to rate it at 800 and process for 1250-1600 without any issues.
 
800 or 1000 or so is probably its true ISO anyhow. Anchell & Troop show 8.25 minutes in XTOL @ EI 800, 7.5 minutes @ 400. For XTOL 1:1, 12.5 minutes @ 800, 11.5 @ 400. D-76, 8 minutes @ 800, 7.5 @ 400. Tmax 1:4, 6.5 @ 800, 6 @ 400.

Looks like there is plenty of precedent for shooting it lower than the box speed!
 
Faintandfuzzy said:
I always rate it at 1600, but process with the 3200 triming. You should be able to rate it at 800 and process for 1250-1600 without any issues.
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Rob-F said:
800 or 1000 or so is probably its true ISO anyhow. Anchell & Troop show 8.25 minutes in XTOL @ EI 800, 7.5 minutes @ 400. For XTOL 1:1, 12.5 minutes @ 800, 11.5 @ 400. D-76, 8 minutes @ 800, 7.5 @ 400. Tmax 1:4, 6.5 @ 800, 6 @ 400.

Looks like there is plenty of precedent for shooting it lower than the box speed!
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Thanks!

Brian Legge said:
...how expired...? I'd try shooting a roll at 400/800/1600 to see what looks best given how you develop it.
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I'm away from my developing equipment until September! I don't want to wait that long :(
 
1600 isn't a pull. I shoot it at 1600 all the time.

800 probably isn't really a pull either. I have shot it at 800 before, but usually only with expired TMZ. It works fine. Loads of shadow detail.

I think all of the B&W shots in the following set (except for the 2 or 3 IR images) were shot on expired TMZ at EI 800. Read the tags to be sure.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/sets/72157616670853754/with/3445578515/

Most of the TMZ in my flickr stream is shot at 1600. I can't guarantee that most of it is well exposed :) Some of it is definitely under.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/tags/tmz
 
So I just actually developed two rolls of TMZ I shot at 800. One expired in 2007 and I shot it one year ago. It's been sitting in my fridge since. The other I shot last November but I'm not sure what it's expiration date was. I think they came out pretty good. TMZ shot in good light looks great in my opinion.

I've only put two shots online so far, but more will be going up in the near future. Here's all my TMZ at 800 shots: http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=75465910@N00&q=tmz+ei800&m=tags


tiny dog by ezwal, on Flickr


mud by ezwal, on Flickr
 
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Tim Gray said:
1600 isn't a pull. I shoot it at 1600 all the time.

800 probably isn't really a pull either. I have shot it at 800 before, but usually only with expired TMZ. It works fine. Loads of shadow detail.

I think all of the B&W shots in the following set (except for the 2 or 3 IR images) were shot on expired TMZ at EI 800. Read the tags to be sure.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/sets/72157616670853754/with/3445578515/

Most of the TMZ in my flickr stream is shot at 1600. I can't guarantee that most of it is well exposed :) Some of it is definitely under.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tgray1/tags/tmz
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Are you shooting at 800 and 1600 and developing it normally? Or are you developing it as if you shot it at 800 or 1600?

Just curious as to whether or not you really need to "pull" this film. I've heard that it's rated lower than 3200 but the developing recommendations are really equal to shooting 1600 speed film and pushing it. Correct? Or way off base?
 
matthewm said:
Are you shooting at 800 and 1600 and developing it normally? Or are you developing it as if you shot it at 800 or 1600?

Just curious as to whether or not you really need to "pull" this film. I've heard that it's rated lower than 3200 but the developing recommendations are really equal to shooting 1600 speed film and pushing it. Correct? Or way off base?
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I use the times for 800 and 1600 when I shoot it at those speeds.

It's nominally an ISO 800-1000 film. If you shoot it at 1600 or 3200, you are really underexposing it according to it's ISO rating. There's nothing wrong with this. However, you should probably use a development time based on that exposure (the times in the XTOL pdf have always worked for me). Technically, this would be 'pushing' it, i.e. underexposing and extending development accordingly. So if you shoot it at 800 and use the times for 800 for your developer, you aren't 'pulling', since you are exposing as per the ISO rating and developing normally. But yes, you should develop the film for a shorter amount of time if you exposed it at 800 compared to if you shot it at 3200.

Of course, remember that development times are just recommendations. They are meant to be tweaked if they don't work for your processes. I've been reasonably happy with the TMZ and XTOL 1:1 times for my processes: scanning and printing on my enlarger.

Oh, and glad you liked the shot :)
 
This is an area where personal testing is essential IMHO. I rate the film at 800-100 in normal use and use it in daylight when the light is dim. Sometimes for street work it is important to keep 1/500 and f5.6-f11 so this film helps achieve that.

At 1000 I get about the same shadow detail as TriX at 320. In Xtol 1+1 grain is very well controlled and it prints very nicely, depending on subject matter, as big as you want.

I just shot four rolls this last weel for a street project, all at 800, all in daylight. Should see the negs soon.
 
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