to all who worry about film being deadish

pvdhaar said:
Ok, here's a tidbit of hope for those who think it can only go downhill from here:

http://www.news.utoronto.ca/bin6/060420-2216.asp
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I think that has other reasons. Since DRM on so called Music CDs which can't be played in many car stereos I first thought about buying a MP3 player for my car.
With the new laws banishing DRM workarounds I'm back to cassette players.

Vinyl and the good old compact cassette are teh only way to listen to other music than whats on the radio without risking some month in jail or at least a serious fine.

Hey Sony! You can stick your RootKit infested CDs somewhere where the sun doesn't shine!
 
Interesting thread . I still have my vynil records (and this not difficult being me more near 60 than 50 !) but what is interesting I still have the my father's 8mm movie camera from Paillard, which I would like to try if it works !
ciao, rob
 
I have heard of many people taking their old 8mm films and VHS tapes and having them converted to DVD. Never the other way.

I have heard of many people taking their 35mm, MF, and LF negs and slides and having them scanned and saved to digital files and stored on CD/DVD. Never the other way.

When I see the mad rush to convert SACD's to 8-track tape, and the mag tape facilities suddenly spring back into existance (last one in North America closed a year ago), I'll believe that we are going to be 'rescued' from the digital age by a bunch of kids who like records.

And PS - I like records too. Sony has no plans to stop making CD's that I'm aware of.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
I've got two bicycles. With gas at $3.00 I might get a backup. Two years ago a couple of women in Tucson opened a motor scooter store, named Scoot Over. Everyone thought they were nuts. Then the price of gas went up. They're doing quite well.

Renaissance Motors, on Speedway Blvd. in Tucson, has been a traditional Ducati/Moto Guzzi/MV Augusta dealer for years. I visited recently, and the entire right side of the center aisle is now devoted to Piaggio and Vespa, sales of which, according to the sales manager, pay the entire operational costs of the business.

America's dustbin of history, when gasoline hits $4.00 per gallon, will quite probably be filled with SUV's.

Ted
 
I got a super8 camera at yard sale, not even knowing what it is. I thought for sure there is no more film sold for it. 6 months later, i accidentally discovered that Karstadt (a major german retailer) had them in a regular photo section.
 
a couple of thoughts here ... there's still a big market for tube amplifiers. yes they're more expensive, and heavier, but you can't get that "tube sound" from a solid state amp. I think the same argument could be made for film vs digital. as long as people are willing to buy film (or tube based amps) somebody will make it. might cost a little more.

my second thought along these lines comes from my other hobby -- War of 1812 re-enacting. Not Civil War (American Civil War), there are a lot of those guys, but War of 1812. There are maybe 500 people in North America who do this, but there's a pretty complete cottage industry that supplies uniforms, muskets, swords, shakos, shoes, buckles, tents, camp gear, etc. For 500 people. Some of the higher end parts of the industry are in trouble -- harder every day to get gold lace or epaulet coils -- but that is harder and more expensive to produce than film. Not to mention far more obsolete. Most of the machinery still used for that work was built in the 19th century.

It might get expensive, but it will be worth somebody's time to produce process film, even a long time from now.
 
Michael I. said:
did you know AM radio is stereo now?that was a shock to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AM_stereo
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Yep, and it's actually considered rather quaint now, if it's considered at all – not many stations broadcast in the format, and (last time I checked) no one seems to be manufacturing receivers/tuners offering AM stereo reception anymore.

I would imagine the new digital radio format will catch on a bit better. :)


- Barrett
 
bmattock said:
I have heard of many people taking their old 8mm films and VHS tapes and having them converted to DVD. Never the other way.

I have heard of many people taking their 35mm, MF, and LF negs and slides and having them scanned and saved to digital files and stored on CD/DVD. Never the other way.

When I see the mad rush to convert SACD's to 8-track tape, and the mag tape facilities suddenly spring back into existance (last one in North America closed a year ago), I'll believe that we are going to be 'rescued' from the digital age by a bunch of kids who like records.

And PS - I like records too. Sony has no plans to stop making CD's that I'm aware of.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
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Acording to some of the labs and camera stores I frequent around here, many photographers are having their DSLR files converted to analog slides so they can present them on a traditional slide projector, because they offer much higher quality viewing than even the most expensive digital projectors.
I'm all over digital projectors for movie watching though!
 
pvdhaar said:
These transmissions were really uncommon then. You had to have two radio sets in those days, each tuned to a different channel. Talk about a flashback..

In the mid sixties, these experimental broadcasts morphed into a very well executed April fools' day gag where people were led to believe that along the same lines you could have stereo television. That had a couple of people sitting with dark sunglasses in a completely dark room.. :D
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I seem to remember Philips did some experimenting with stereo television a long time age -you know: red and green spectacles etc..
 
a) Why I have the feeling of having heard that Kodak wanted to get rid of Tri-x, long before digital was even conceived ?

b) Why I have the feeling that Fujifilm is just waiting for that moment ?

c) Why I have the feeling that China is more than able to continue and will continue for many years to come if the same moskito around Kodak board of directors mooves to Japan ?

d) And really serious: the problem with us and everybody else is we are projecting for good or for bad the trends we see TODAY, as they seem to be TODAY. But in a decade from now, who knows ???
Have you predicted the digital take over a decade ago ??? (Yah yah yah, you smart guy, keep humble !).

With the same strenght of speculation by which many shortsighted predict the doom of FILM, it is quite more reasonable to predict for a decade from now the Doom of Digital, by another more advanced technoloqy, making by 2020 cheaper to produce film than produce outdated digital chips and all other periphereal stuff. Have you thought about it ? Do you think digital will last for a millenium ?

Don't you see the Digital Rebel guys today crying for having bought their low megapixel camera two years ago ?

Are you going to buy new and throw it to the basket each couple of years ?

So be smart, keep it simple, keep it by film. Never yield to fear. Nor open your wallet for what is not truly valuable for you.

Cheers,
Ruben
 
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photogdave said:
Acording to some of the labs and camera stores I frequent around here, many photographers are having their DSLR files converted to analog slides so they can present them on a traditional slide projector, because they offer much higher quality viewing than even the most expensive digital projectors.
I'm all over digital projectors for movie watching though!
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Yeah right. Don't believe one single word of it.
 
bmattock said:
And PS - I like records too. Sony has no plans to stop making CD's that I'm aware of.
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Over the last two years, I've heard more than a little talk about how CDs are "so last century", and how the iPod and such will pretty much sweep them aside "shortly". Don't know what to make of this, but I prefer my hi-fi in hard-copy (not to knock the 'Pods by any means, but the "fi" ain't quite as "hi", even with AAC), as well as what's left of what we used to call Cover Art.


- Barrett
 
amateriat said:
Over the last two years, I've heard more than a little talk about how CDs are "so last century", and how the iPod and such will pretty much sweep them aside "shortly". Don't know what to make of this, but I prefer my hi-fi in hard-copy (not to knock the 'Pods by any means, but the "fi" ain't quite as "hi", even with AAC), as well as what's left of what we used to call Cover Art.

- Barrett
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Hey, I bought into MiniDisc. Car, home stereo, and Walkman. Still have it, works great. But it didn't make it. That's ok. iPod? OK, could be. I'm not interested, but if it replaces CD's (not sure how it would do that, but whatever), then it does. New tech is introduced all the time. Some makes it, some doesn't. Some is superior to what it replaces, some is not.

None of that matters. If people buy it in sufficient numbers, it survives. If they do not, it does not. That's it.

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Mark Wood said:
A bit OT but was the magnetic tape manufacturing facility that closed in North America about a year ago supposed to be Quantegy (formerly Ampex)? They stopped manufacture for a short time but as far as I know, they're still alive and well and producing reel-to-reel tape:

http://www.quantegy.com/audio/audio_products.html

and suppliers in the UK confirm that.
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I was unaware that they started up again. However...

http://www.gcn.com/print/25_8/40424-1.html

Anyway...

Best Regards,

Bill Mattocks
 
Mark Wood said:
A bit OT but was the magnetic tape manufacturing facility that closed in North America about a year ago supposed to be Quantegy (formerly Ampex)? They stopped manufacture for a short time but as far as I know, they're still alive and well and producing reel-to-reel tape:

http://www.quantegy.com/audio/audio_products.html

and suppliers in the UK confirm that.
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So it (happily) appears. And, yes, Quantegy was a spin-off of Ampex' magnetic-media business some years back.

Having done location recording with both analog and digital tape gear in the past, this isn't a minor issue to me (much as I like recording with laptops and such).


- Barrett
 
I think the death as film as a serious photograpic medium is nigh on here. When I read of all the labs going bust in the UK (keishi colour being the latest casualty) I can't see it any other way. They're not closing because they're bored or they've made enough money to retire. True you may still be able to get film for years to come but then you can still get pinhole cameras and kits for cyanotypes from Silverprint, that isn't the same as saying that film will part of the photographic mainstream in 5 years time, any more than pinhole cameras are now.
 
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