Today i was told off

[boojum]

Have you been threatened at gunpoint to give up your film inside your camera or you get shot?
when: around 45 years ago
where: Tripoli, Libya
who: threatened me: an old veteran with a rifle guarding the harbor. Gaddafi gave vets guns and let them parade around Tripoli. It was a time during which Libya declared war on Tunisia. I had the misfortune of having booked a flight from Tunis to Tripoli on Tunisian Airlines! DUH!

In the end, I refused to give that guy my film and he let me go.

So, how did the pictures turn out? ;o)

 

[markjwyatt]

Well, nothing new, I am very often been told off for taking pictures but usually I approach people, have a conversation with them and talk some sense to them.

I took my little daughter to an event - there was a Victorian School re-enactment. The school started, parents took their phones out and started taking pictures and recording the event.

I took my OM-2n out and tried to take a picture. The teacher stopped the event and told me that "surely this camera did not exist in 1890s and to please put it back in my bag and wait until it is over".

Surely I did and the event continued. At the end I approached the lady and asked why I couldn't take pictures with the camera but people could record with the phones. I was told that the Trust has a very strict policy regarding photographing children and cameras are not allowed. Mind you, I was trying to photograph my daughter.

Oh well. It looks like people become less and less familiar with cameras and find them more sinister that a mobile phone.

Wow. Last I checked iPhones have a CAMERA built into them. Shows the state of our education system if a teacher does not realize that. Were iPhones around in 1890?

 

[raid]

So, how did the pictures turn out? ;o)

They came out fine. I used a Zeiss Contina camera that belonged to my late father.

 

[boojum]

They came out fine. I used a Zeiss Contina camera that belonged to my late father.

I assume your Arabic is current. Nevertheless, I would have been major stressed in the same situation. You just never know what unbalanced people will do and it gets worse by a factor of 1,000 when guns are involved. Screaming I can deal with but bullet holes always upset me bigtime. Glad you made it, film and all.

 

[Richard G]

Sorry you missed out. Your character is so evident in how you handled this. My hat is off to you. Pleased to learn your daughter took it in her stride. Also not surprising. Maybe the IIc would have passed muster. But might have required a null series or a Leica Standard…

 

[p.giannakis]

Sorry you missed out. Your character is so evident in how you handled this. My hat is off to you. Pleased to learn your daughter took it in her stride. Also not surprising. Maybe the IIc would have passed muster. But might have required a null series or a Leica Standard…

Thank you 😊

 

[p.giannakis]

Unfortunately, with the introduction of the GDPR regulations, they might have a (legal) leg to stand on.

According to law we do not need to seek consent to photograph in public. But the moment we upload the picture on the internet or publish it otherwise, the picture is considered data and ourselves "data controlers". If the person is recognisable in the picture, we might be breaking the law in terms of unlawfully processing personal identifiable data.

The interesting thing is that every country has its own terms and conditions and they interpret this differently (!). In UK, if they can prove that you made some sort of gain from publishing the picture, you are probably going down.

I am going back to this comment I made because I found out that it is not true.

The above applies to professional photographers - they need to register with ICO for GDPR. For hobbyists like yourselves, GDPR has article 2 (material scope) that states that GDPR does not apply to individuals who exercise a hobby or a household activity.

But there is an exception. If you post a picture online and you make all the identifying remarks that might help identify a person which then puts them at any risk or the person can argue that the picture caused a defamation of character, you might be liable for prosecution.

 

[nightlight]

But there is an exception. If you post a picture online and you make all the identifying remarks that might help identify a person which then puts them at any risk or the person can argue that the picture caused a defamation of character, you might be liable for prosecution.

Thank you for this insight, useful to know. On top of a light meter to help get the correct exposure, we need a 'juris-meter' to help us assess our legal exposure: country, applicable legislations, exception clauses etc 🙂

 

[Archiver]

I am going back to this comment I made because I found out that it is not true.

The above applies to professional photographers - they need to register with ICO for GDPR. For hobbyists like yourselves, GDPR has article 2 (material scope) that states that GDPR does not apply to individuals who exercise a hobby or a household activity.

But there is an exception. If you post a picture online and you make all the identifying remarks that might help identify a person which then puts them at any risk or the person can argue that the picture caused a defamation of character, you might be liable for prosecution.

That's very helpful for folks in Europe. I wonder how this law applies to a professional photographer who does street photography as a hobby? Does all their photography becomes subject to the GDPR regulations in Europe, or does it only apply if taken in a professional/money making capacity? Food for thought.

 

[Ray Kilby]

I think you behaved with exemplary consideration. I think you should write to the head teacher apologising for attempting to take a picture of your daughter, and when you were asked to stop you did so, understanding the teacher's concern.

With this in mind, you should ask that any image taken with a mobile phone of your daughter at this event must not be disseminated by anyone on any social media and that you will consider taking legal recourse if done so. You should CC it to the local educational authority as a matter of course.

I am so sorry that you have had to experience this nonsense. The teacher in question was not thinking this through just exercising her authority.

 

[Ray Kilby]

sadly, I think reportage is dead.

 

[p.giannakis]

I think you behaved with exemplary consideration. I think you should write to the head teacher apologising for attempting to take a picture of your daughter, and when you were asked to stop you did so, understanding the teacher's concern.

With this in mind, you should ask that any image taken with a mobile phone of your daughter at this event must not be disseminated by anyone on any social media and that you will consider taking legal recourse if done so. You should CC it to the local educational authority as a matter of course.

I am so sorry that you have had to experience this nonsense. The teacher in question was not thinking this through just exercising her authority.

Thanks . Sorry if a caused a confusion, the teacher was not a real teacher but a staff member, part of the team which organised that event. 👍

 

[rastahogrider]

I get it that you were trying to takes pics of your own daughter, but in today's world I never pics of children, for fear of being called out as some weirdo. I'm not around children all that much anymore anyway.

I don’t take pics of kids in public either. The weirdo’s have ruined it for the honest photographers.