bwcolor
Veteran
I doubt that your scanner can resolve 9600dpi. You might want to scan at the actual optical resolution of your scanner and get better data to start the workflow chain.
charjohncarter
Veteran
TriX in HC-110h + a little Rodinal:
Tmax400 (new) HC-110h + a little Rodinal:
It is hard to see subtleties on the Internet, but Tmax400 (to me): a longer tone range and of course almost zero grain. Even in 35 and a little Rodinal.
Tmax400 (new) HC-110h + a little Rodinal:
It is hard to see subtleties on the Internet, but Tmax400 (to me): a longer tone range and of course almost zero grain. Even in 35 and a little Rodinal.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
So my scanner doesn't actually scan at 9600 dpi like it says? What is the actual optical resolution? I've not heard that term before.
jja
Well-known
John, I'm always really impressed w/ your exposure and developing techniques. Could you share a little on the proportions in the chemical mix? Have you tried mixing Rodinal w/ Xtol or other dev.?
bwcolor
Veteran
I use a Nikon 9000ED at 4000dpi and an Epson V750 Pro at 2400 dpi. If you think about it, does it make sense that a $2000 film scanner and a $750 flatbed would be much lower resolution than your scanner? Someone is fudging the numbers and I bet it is the manufacturer.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
That does make sense about the numbers. I think the next number down is 4800 so I'll give that a shot.
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Hi! I never tried that!
Have I missed something? About films: totally different! Yellow and 400 is all they share! Well, development times are very close too (on Rodinal...)
I like Tri-X (and use it for 95% of my shooting) for its sharp, noticeable and crisp grain, and for its peculiar and lovely tone, and because it's a really forgiving film.
I like TMY2 (best film ever maybe?) because of its great detail and very fine grain, its modern and more delicate tone, and because it can be pushed more than Tri-X AND there it shows a cleaner tone than Tri-X less pushed... And depending on the subject and light, TMY2 becomes THE tool... To me it was a great surprise to find it and discover it can be shot at 800 incident EASILY (give it a try on medium format) and have no visible grain (Rodinal 1+50 18º 30 minutes) with an amazing tonality... At 1600 it's great too! (Tri-X at 1600 incident is noticeably inferior...) Even at 3200 (with TMax developer) the film can be used for low contrast scenes.
Cheers,
Juan
bmasonoh
Established
They are quite different in my experience. Tri-X has more "character" mostly grain. TMY2 is more subtle and its tonality is beautiful. Despite the additional cost, I shoot almost the exact opposite of Juan - about 95% TMY2.
In medium format it is even more amazing.
In medium format it is even more amazing.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
Got the roll of 2TMY hanging to dry so it won't be too long before I can scan them and compare to the Tri-X I posted up top.
SimonSawSunlight
Simon Fabel
well, just for this thread I went and bought two rolls of tmax 400 in addition to my regular tri-x shopping today. will report back.
NickTrop
Veteran
35mm - TriX
Medium Format - TMax
Medium Format - TMax
semilog
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charjohncarter
Veteran
Hi! I never tried that!
About films: totally different! Yellow and 400 is all they share! Well, development times are very close too (on Rodinal...)
I like Tri-X (and use it for 95% of my shooting) for its sharp, noticeable and crisp grain, and for its peculiar and lovely tone, and because it's a really forgiving film.
I like TMY2 (best film ever maybe?) because of its great detail and very fine grain, its modern and more delicate tone, and because it can be pushed more than Tri-X AND there it shows a cleaner tone than Tri-X less pushed... And depending on the subject and light, TMY2 becomes THE tool... To me it was a great surprise to find it and discover it can be shot at 800 incident EASILY (give it a try on medium format) and have no visible grain (Rodinal 1+50 18º 30 minutes) with an amazing tonality... At 1600 it's great too! (Tri-X at 1600 incident is noticeably inferior...) Even at 3200 (with TMax developer) the film can be used for low contrast scenes.
Cheers,
Juan
First sentence: don't try it.
Second sentence: I use the same time with HC-110h + a little Rodinal.
Juan welcome back. You didn't tell me they only speak Catalan in Barcelona. Very difficult for a Mexican speaker.
Tmax400:
dfoo
Well-known
Tri-X == grainy. T-Max == not so grainy. T-Max also has more latitude than Tri-X and is somewhat sharper. I like both.
bwcolor
Veteran
You might want to do some searches to get your answer. I think that you are talking 10k-30k flatbeds that do 4800dpi optical. I can't tell you what to do, but I would guess that 2400dpi would be on the high end of possible. I'm no expert and many around here could give you better pointers than I.
KenR
Well-known
After all the discussions about TriX here on RFF, I decided to take a look at it again in its Arista mantle, having used TMY for a couple of years. I was not impressed with the tones or the forgiveness of the film. The large size of the grain was quite a surprise after TMY (esp. compared to TMY2), so I decided to stay with TMY.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
Ok, Here are the first shots with the 2TMY souped in Rollei High Speed Developer. I did these also as a focus test for my lens. I think the focus is off and I'm going to try to remedy that tomorrow (and I'll report back because if it works, it'll be worth reporting about).
Also, my images here might be a little off because I'm using an old 1947 LTM uncoated lens. Maybe, maybe not, but I think it has something to do with my images not being as sharp as I think they should be.
The images of the guitar and amp were done with a tripod and cable release so they should be rock solid in-focus! ...and they're not. This is one reason I think the lens has something to do with it.
Also, my images here might be a little off because I'm using an old 1947 LTM uncoated lens. Maybe, maybe not, but I think it has something to do with my images not being as sharp as I think they should be.
The images of the guitar and amp were done with a tripod and cable release so they should be rock solid in-focus! ...and they're not. This is one reason I think the lens has something to do with it.
jja
Well-known
Hard to tell from these scans, but that might be as sharp as you can achieve w/ that lens wide open. The guitar and amp photos have a classic "glow" about them.
Pirate
Guitar playing Fotografer
Yeah, that glow seems to be the out-of-focus area. I know the spots I focused on in these shots and the lens is not focusing. I'm going to make a ground glass tomorrow that's the size of a 35mm film frame and use it to tweak the focus correctly into place.
Simon, I can't wait to see what you can do with this film!!
Simon, I can't wait to see what you can do with this film!!
Juan Valdenebro
Truth is beauty
Hi John. Two girls has never been my style, and never will... Any woman is a whole universe, complete and enough and making sense to any man with open eyes... I was never attracted to those stories... Even one love is too much sometimes...
Is “a Mexican speaker” something commonly said in the States, or is it a new invention of yours? It sounds so funny! I never heard it before! I've never been to México, but if one day I do, I'll hear the Mexican language! The names for our Spanish language are two: Español and Castellano... In Spain it's called Castellano (From the land of Castilla, as other lands or “countries” inside Spain have other languages, like Catalán in this land named Catalunya... There are maybe 6 or 7 languages inside this small country) and outside Spain, Spanish is called Español.
Catalán is not the only language spoken in Barcelona, and it isn't even the most used one: it's Spanish the most used by everyone. Like all other countries inside Spain with old, own languages, Catalunya's government promotes (Madrid against it) the use of Catalán trying to keep it alive, but as you can imagine, it's hard for a language spoken by few people to survive in the modern world... Almost every person living or born in Barcelona can speak, read and write in castellano (Spanish): one of the most important reasons for that is the Spanish constitution, where of course the main language for the whole country must be Spanish... Apart, historically catalán was forbidden for decades by the Spanish government even inside Catalunya!... And the other huge reason is who lives here: half the people living here are from all around the world, speaking English and Spanish mainly... My (father's) last name DeValdenebro is from the land called País Vasco (where Bilbao is) next to France by the northern sea (Here we're next to France by the southern sea...) I've tried to find my lastname in the past, and the furthest point I've found written registry of it is a list from the 1400's, with a guy Valdenebro giving money then (lots of people did it) to the Queen of Spain so she could help Columbus with the money for his trips for discovering America. If you ever want to read a really strange language, get some “Euskara” from my father's family land, País Vasco... A mysterious, different language nobody knows for sure where it came from...
Catalán is an easy language... At least to me and to all latin-languages speakers... I was born in Colombia (like my mother) -I mean I grew up with Spanish language- and came to study my carreer in photography in Spain (it doesn't exist in Colombia) and I've lived here nearly 20 years ago, inside Barcelona always, so I speak Catalán, though I never need it here in Barcelona... Indeed I never use it anywhere... Catalán is very Spanish-like, sharing many words, and most structures, and is close to Italian and French... Window: fenetre (French), fenestra (Italian), finestra (Catalán)... And it has lots of Latin too... The reason is Cataluña was the Caesar's backyard during summer: the biggest and most important city in the Roman empire (after Rome) when that empire was half the known world, was Tarragona (here, next to Barcelona) and Caesars came here every summer to enjoy the best beaches, the very appreciated rose wine (yes, as fine as the best red wines), and to fall in love with the very pleasant Spanish women... And men... Then they went down a bit more inside Iberia (old name for Spain) until reaching Cádiz (the old and famous Ghades) that almost touches Africa, a land for exotic music, crazyness, drugs and depravation: the same things that were common daily to Rome's people and authorities in Rome, but now far away from home, and with a lot of heat and new black and Arabic young flesh around...
Wow, now I remember this is a photography forum... To end it, 100% people speak Spanish in Barcelona, and half of it (in general those not born in Barcelona or Spain) speak English... And half of us Catalán too... But Catalán is important especially to people who don't speak other languages... No one needs Catalán to visit or live in Barcelona... Next time you come, I'll teach you some Mexican...
Cheers,
Juan
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