Tri-X dead?

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I stopped into a camera, camera repair and photo store yesterday to buy several rolls of Tri-x. I was told that Kodak had not manufactured this film in a few years and that it was unavailable. Other film stores seem to have an ample supply of Tri-X. Is it really dead? Did I miss the funeral?

Tom
 
thawkins said:
I stopped into a camera, camera repair and photo store yesterday to buy several rolls of Tri-x. I was told that Kodak had not manufactured this film in a few years and that it was unavailable. Other film stores seem to have an ample supply of Tri-X. Is it really dead? Did I miss the funeral?

Tom

This is not true at all. A while back some distributor also made a dumb claim that Tri-X bulk would be discontinued. The OP on that thread wrote Kodak and told him that it was not true, that there are no plans to discontinue Tri-X bulk rolls (let alone Tri-x). He posted the response here on RFF, and it was only a few months ago.
 
navilluspm said:
This is not true at all. A while back some distributor also made a dumb claim that Tri-X bulk would be discontinued. The OP on that thread wrote Kodak and told him that it was not true, that there are no plans to discontinue Tri-X bulk rolls (let alone Tri-x). He posted the response here on RFF, and it was only a few months ago.
That was my thread/post. Actually, there was confusion because a CSR at the Kodak pro support line "confirmed" the discontinuation of bulk TX, which, it turned out was a mistake. I received a very firmly worded email that Tri-X bulk was not being discontinued, that Tri-X itself is very much alive, etc. ...

Official Kodak emails:


Earl,
Unfortunately, you were given incorrect information by our customer service rep. It's particularly unfortunate given that people feel so strongly about Tri-X and that was evidenced by the angry reaction you received when you posted the (incorrect) information online.. We are not happy either when incorrect information is given out. Please be assured we are NOT discontinuing Tri-X 35 mm in 100 ft or 50 ft and would appreciate your stating a correction ASAP online.

The following Tri-X long roll items are both active:



Thank you for your loyalty to Tri-X.

Audrey

And her reply after I posted the correction here:

Thanks Earl. I appreciate the correction to your posting to reflect the accurate information about Tri-X that I sent you. And again, I apologize on behalf of whomever it was you spoke to in our customer service area who provided you the incorrect information to begin with.

Please don't ever hesitate to contact me with any questions.

Here's to Tri-X !
Audrey
 
You know, when you step back and look at what must be pretty meager costs to produce, market and distribute Tri-X relative to the product's price, Kodak has a really good thing going here. They'd be nuts to stop as long as there are crackpots/luddites like us who'll shell out $$ for the stuff.
 
If Tri X is dead, then we just have to switch to 400TX (AKA improved TriX) or Ilford HP5... for the time they would last... or BW400 CN... if it can survive the digital attack...
Anyway, I still can get some of any of those films here.

Cheers, and happy new year for all

Ernesto
 
I think it makes sense to put it under professional products, especially with the chromogenic b&w films available for the consumer market. However, as recent as the beginning of this year I used to find the odd roll or two hanging in Walgreens right there next to good ol' Gold!

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My explanation of Kodak's behavior is thus: Kodak's management in the 1990's were caught flat-footed by the digital migration. The stock took a severe hammering from which it will probably never recover. Now they are trying to reposition themselves as an "imaging" company. To do this they MUST distance themselves from film, otherwise investors will think that the company management has not reformed and is still looking to film for its future.

From the website we can see that Kodak sees the world through exactly two lenses: Consumer and Professional. Their marketing folk don't understand the high-end hobbyist/fine artist market in the way that, say, the new management at Ilford do. We can argue about how big this market is, but I think there's good evidence that Kodak does not recognize it or understand it in the way that Ilford does.

For this reason I think we should be concerned about the future of Tri-X and other Kodak film products. Kodak CAN'T afford to have film as part of it's strategic plan. I could easily see a case where film gets axed as part of a reorganization. It has nothing to do with profitability. Large companies frequently sell off profitable lines if they are seen to distract from their core business. In fact this is encouraged because it generates cash.

A better, smarter future would be something like what happened at Ilford. New management that understands the market takes over the product. If Kodak was smart they would do a spinoff in house using their internal resources but giving it a new image: Kodak Fine Arts, or something like that. This would enhance the overall Kodak brand while not threatening its status as a forward-looking "imaging" company and would cost them very little.

If they are not that smart, they will sell the film unit to investors who understand the market. The investors are out there: look at Ilford.

If Kodak management are truly stupid (a possibility), they will just eventually discontinue their film line altogether.

There is money to be made in properly-serviced niche markets. Just ask Warren Buffett (or read his book). He likes to buy highly specialized companies that have a good markup and high barriers to entry. I think artist photo film is just such a market. A roll of film consists of only a few cents worth of materials but sells for nearly five bucks. Quality is valued and we the users with our much-loved cameras and lenses are willing to pay for it. And nobody is going to start a competing film business any time soon.

Okay, I've written the business plan. Who's got Warren Buffett in their Rolodex?
 
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vdonovan said:
For this reason I think we should be concerned about the future of Tri-X and other Kodak film products. Kodak CAN'T afford to have film as part of it's strategic plan. I could easily see a case where film gets axed as part of a reorganization. It has nothing to do with profitability. Large companies frequently sell off profitable lines if they are seen to distract from their core business. In fact this is encouraged because it generates cash.
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Exactly right. It does have something to to with ROI, or return on investment. Profit no longer cuts it in corporate America. Except maybe when the CEO is Warren Buffet.
 
Thanks for all your replies. I am returning to that store in a few weeks for a visit with the owner so he can do something about the quality of his help.

Tom
 
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