TriX in Rodinal for first time

[kaiyen]

Personally, I prefer to use Rodinal with slower films. It is wonderful with TMX, though I prefer D76 with Delta 100, actually. You can appreciate the acutance in TMX but not as much in Delta 100 for some reason.

TXT and Rodinal, other than stand, doesn't scan all that well, IMO. Maybe the grain aliasing with the acutance and the grain size in TXT just doesn't work.

And the amount of developer needed depends a lot on the subject. You can usually get away with 6ml per roll in general. But as little as 3 if there aren't are a lot of highlights everywhere (which eats up developer, of course).

allan

 

[lZr]

Thanks All.

LeicaM3, why 1 hour? Cook the film? May be at 1:200?

 

[charjohncarter]

LeicaM3, right they were too dense, I got the agitation numbers from someone.

IZr, I used 5ml plus 500ml but I only developed one 24 exposure roll.

I did a shadow detail test with HC-110h and Rodinal 1+100 stand. I couldn't tell the difference. Here is one of the side by sides:

This is bigger on my Flickr page:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/carter3john/2265556648/sizes/o/

 

[Bryce]

Quote-"And the amount of developer needed depends a lot on the subject. You can usually get away with 6ml per roll in general. But as little as 3 if there aren't are a lot of highlights everywhere (which eats up developer, of course)."

Allan-
Have you seen something that makes you believe that below this amount the developer will actually exhaust itself before it is dumped?
I've used Rodinal at 1:100 and like it, sometimes going below this amount (barely). Is it that stand developing is developing to exhaustion of the developer? Similar to printing paper, where the paper is fully developed?
Hadn't really borne it all that much thought.
There is (in my experience) a much greater difference in the appearance of film developed in 1:100 vs. in 1:50 than in 1:50 vs. 1:25. Things are making more sense all of the sudden, including Agfa's suggestion that 10cc per roll is the practical minimum.

 

[LeicaM3]

Thanks All.

LeicaM3, why 1 hour? Cook the film? May be at 1:200?

????

Some suggested reading about stand development:
APUG APUG2

More interesting reads over there. People experimenting with 1:400...
I have tried a bunch of different mixes, what I described works best for me.
My reasons for stand with Rodinal:
grain
compensating effect
scans better

Let me know if you have an specific questions. Used to do use Rodinal only at 1:50 (many rolls), but have done about 100 high contrast rolls with 1:100 and like it.

 

[kaiyen]

Bryce,
I haven't tried less than 3ml per roll other than stand development, no. It's just what I've read and since every roll I shoot has masterpieces on it I have no random film to test 🙂. I have gone as low as 4.5ml without problems, I think.

Stand development is way more tolerant of low developer volume since, by definition, you _want_ it to exhaust in the highlight areas. But if you are doing normal agitation and it's a really bright scene you might exhaust the developer.

allan

 

[lZr]

charjohncarter - The samples are too smal. I can only identify the deeper shadows oo left side

Bryce - I think you are right. After 10 minutes, my 8 ml Rodinal ceased to develop. (?) Next time I'll try to prove that. I'll shot Trix at 250 and develop only 10 minutes in 1:50. I think the results will be the same.

 

[lZr]

LeicaM3 -
(APUG links)

I don't believe that 1:400 for 2 hours is time one can honor. I certainly not, because if next time I got same results after 1:30 hour, means the developer is cooking my film and waisting my time.

Stand developing is not my style. I want to be involved in every aspect and step I go

 

[LeicaM3]

LeicaM3 -
(APUG links)

I don't believe that 1:400 for 2 hours is time one can honor. I certainly not, because if next time I got same results after 1:30 hour, means the developer is cooking my film and waisting my time.

Stand developing is not my style. I want to be involved in every aspect and step I go

Lazar,

sure that's fine.

But as you can learn from this thread, the results are different if you use Rodinal at 1:25/1:50/1:100 - I gave you my reasons why I use 1:100 at times as did others. (grain/compensation/scan).

The notion that you are somehow less involved in every aspect and step with stand is wrong.

You are the one who tailors your tools for a desired result (that is why you develop your own film afterall). Using stand in no less or more involved than using 3+3 in Diafine.


Good Luck, there is a learning curve for doing your own film.

 

[charjohncarter]

LeicaM3, I can't read all that now, I'm leaving. But thanks for the reference. I'll be very interested.

 

[lZr]

LeicaM3, thanks, but....

I never know in advance what and why I'd need compensation. I already shot it and it is one of 36 frames. The whole roll needs compensation? How is that?
There are times some frames are really bad and need working on highlights and/or shadows, but I do that in software and only after I really need it and on specific frame.

About the dif. dilution with dif. results. Oh, yes I believe it, but if the times are not nailed, I give up. I am square head Engineer. I can't trust anything that can be done in 1 hour +/- 15 minutes. Not me, sorry

 

[LeicaM3]

LeicaM3, thanks, but....

I never know in advance what and why I'd need compensation. I already shot it and it is one of 36 frames. The whole roll needs compensation? How is that?
There are times some frames are really bad and need working on highlights and/or shadows, but I do that in software and only after I really need it and on specific frame.

About the dif. dilution with dif. results. Oh, yes I believe it, but if the times are not nailed, I give up. I am square head Engineer. I can't trust anything that can be done in 1 hour +/- 15 minutes. Not me, sorry

Believe me, I can feel your pain. In my job seconds make a huge difference. The concept of stand development was a hard one to grasp.

I don't have the time to explain right now, but compensation here is not push/pull. It is contrast compensation. It is explained in one of the links I provided.

Good exposures and great development times!

 

[lZr]

Thanks LeicaM3. I have no pain (may be that is the problem).I know what you mean by compensation and I hope I'll meet it in the future

 

[charjohncarter]

IZr, don't worry about the size, it was inconclusive. All I can say is that, in my developing hands, the shadow areas of both developers look to be the same.

 

[charjohncarter]

LeicaM3, Lazar, this is one from that roll of semi-stand-development (now that the thread has drifted to Stand Development) that was over agitated:

The high lights were somewhat controlled, but the shadows were a little too dark for me. Tmax100 at 100, Rodinal 1+100 for 1 hour. This was one of those f22 days in Northern California while shooting into the sun.

 

[LeicaM3]

looks fine

looks fine

John,

looks ok to me based on the small web pic.
F22 into the sun and into the shade - pretty tough. That is exacty the setting (high contrast) where I would have used rodinal 1:100 semi-stand.

Really hard to judge w/o comparison of what your normal combo would have done in the same setting.

 

[charjohncarter]

LeicaM3, I think I said it was my first attempt at semi-stand. And as you pointed out too much agitation. By f22 I meant 'its not sunny 16, but a sunny 22 day.' Sometime here in California even in the Winter at noon, it is contrast city. My next attempt will be with reduced agiation. Thanks for your imput.

 

[Trius]

The rumour is wrong. 1:100 is fine, Tri-X @ 250, 20 min 20C, 30 sec, then 3 gentle inversions every 3 minutes. In low contrast scenes this may be a bit anemic, but all the shots posted here are NOT low contrast.

LESS IS MORE. Less dilution, less agitation, less wet time.