Muggins
Junk magnet
You can't leave that story hanging, surely?
My parents kept goats for about thirty years, I did an MSc project on them, probably explains why I ***** swear like an **** ******* ******* trooper... Love them to bits, but they are infuriating too!
Adrian
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
So, if someone is expressing negative opinion about yours pictures it means he is a troll? I could understand this reaction.
But if someone is liking your pictures how trolling is this?
If it is honest?
Is seeking attention constantly for you and your pictures also trolling?
But if someone is liking your pictures how trolling is this?
If it is honest?
Is seeking attention constantly for you and your pictures also trolling?
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Joe has a good point here. He started a thread asking if there was a digital equivalent of APUG the other day and this was one of the responses ..... LINK
I personally dislike this sort of thing intensely ... a throw away comment that degrades other people's preferences and adds nothing to the thread.
I personally dislike this sort of thing intensely ... a throw away comment that degrades other people's preferences and adds nothing to the thread.
Sparrow
Veteran
... yes but he didn't get very far with it, there are too many right thinking people on here to let that sort of comment pass unchallenged
f16sunshine
Moderator
Sure .....But !
Don't you think this sort of comment is just a misfired effort to be funny?
Not all cheeky comments are trolls.
It's the interweb after all.
We all need to put on our teflon glasses before logging in.
On those occasional thin skin days.... I for one stay offline
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
Sure .....But !
Don't you think this sort of comment is just a misfired effort to be funny?
Not all cheeky comments are trolls.
It's the interweb after all.
We all need to put on our teflon glasses before logging in.
On those occasional thin skin days.... I for one stay offline
Maybe it was ... and all it would have taken would have been one of these :angel: or this
to clarify the intent of the poster.If that was the case!
Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Thanks to bringing attention to this post. I followed the link in the sig.
Stephen have his opinion and his pictures in tact.
Rough sometimes, but interesting and consistent.
with film.
back alley
IMAGES
i'll write more tonight...i forgot my ipad at home and find reading/writing on my phone too much of an unenjoyable chore.
cz23
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No, it's not, at least not from them. You want feedback from those who reflect deeply and objectively on your work. Trolls don't do that. Plus, they are not actually attacking your work, but YOU and the recognition or perceived authority you have achieved. That's really what their small minds resent.
John
telenous
Well-known
No, that's not trolling. That's (presumably) what you, I, and most everyone else would do, as one does.
Trolling can be picked out by its obsessive nature. Compare with this: if you give an unsolicited critique to someone, and that someone reacts badly, then the normal thing to do would be to shrug, perhaps also to mutter between your teeth "what a sensitive oaf", and leave. Not so with trolls. Trollish behaviour involves cyber-stalking and other malicious techniques designed to fly under the radar (e.g. poison-pen letters with various recipients, multiple online identities etc.). The troll is not particularly interested in criticism. Criticism is just a beard for other stuff. The primary aim is to bait an emotional response. Hard to believe there are blokes like that? Don't take my word. Stick around for a bit in a forum (any forum), see for yourself.
As to why, who and how, forget it. It's difficult to lump together all trolls. They come in different shapes and forms, as in every other walk of life. One thing they seem to have in common is dissociativeness (lack of empathy and remorse) a behaviour further exacerbated by the impersonal nature of the web. There are probably various (and by no means common) triggers to this behaviour but it seems to cut across genders (although trolling is more often than not a male thing), educational/social backgrounds, and intelligence levels. Severe cases certainly exhibit sociopathic traits.
Again, not trolling. Just a variant of spaming. Annoying when you are at the receiving end of constant overtures to look at someone's latest and greatest, but orders of magnitude different from trolling.
If only it were that easy, Joe. Yes, art polarizes, but not everything that polarizes is art. In other words, if a troll, or anyone really, attacks your photography, your photography doesn't suddenly turn to art. Like others above said the troll isn't really interested in providing a critique. Which, funnily, is what invalidates what they say.
A big +1 to both.
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Ko.Fe.
Lenses 35/21 Gears 46/20
Thanks!
To me clear indication of trolling is in "personal attack".
It is not good at all, but it is hard not to sometimes.
ColSebastianMoran
( IRL Richard Karash )
Don't feed (internet) trolls.
Joe, sorry you feel you are receiving this treatment. Appreciate you posting images; that takes courage; trolls have no courage.
Joe, sorry you feel you are receiving this treatment. Appreciate you posting images; that takes courage; trolls have no courage.
Spicy
Well-known
if this citation is meant to be evidence of one of the more egregious examples of trolling you've come across, you may be a) incredibly thin skinned, b) hanging out on exceptionally over-moderated forums, or c) in need of a sarcasmometer calibration.
i've been quite frankly floored at how often people here cry bloody murder about (in the grand scheme of things) what they perceive as "vitriolic remarks," which appear to me to be quite benign. i don't know what kind of internet fairly-land some of the members here must frequent so as to elicit such an "OH MY GOD HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY SUCH MEAN THINGS" response to a comment of such low-severity, but it must be interesting there.
perhaps it's a case of developing callouses... also likely a generational difference as well.
:shrug:
Sparrow
Veteran
... or d) a self opinionated anonymous avatar who makes little contribution and has a truculent attitude ... not Keith you understand, but we do get them on here sometimes
John E Earley
Tuol Sleng S21-0174
I would feel somewhat a failure if I didn't have at least one troll. High achievement seems to bring them out.
daveleo
what?
Joe, I am going to skip out of the global discussion here, but this comment is a classic
I feel offended now that I don't have (or at least I don't recognize) my own personal troll
gb hill
Veteran
Yes they are. They did a fantastic job cleaning (eating) my spreading poison ivy & weeds in my back yard.
KM-25
Well-known
Joe, what you describe is a phenomenon of spending time on the internet...the more you share, divulge or participate in within the bounds of the internet, the more you expose your self to this kind of thing.
Also, photography is a hobby for you, for your enjoyment so why care what people think or say?
And in closing, if you ask for an opinion, insight or other type of feedback / information, don't expect everyone to reply in the same manner. In other words, if an opinion comes across more direct or sternly than others, perhaps allow a person to be who they are instead of what you want them to be, saying what you want to hear.
Otherwise....don't play in the sandbox.
Also, photography is a hobby for you, for your enjoyment so why care what people think or say?
And in closing, if you ask for an opinion, insight or other type of feedback / information, don't expect everyone to reply in the same manner. In other words, if an opinion comes across more direct or sternly than others, perhaps allow a person to be who they are instead of what you want them to be, saying what you want to hear.
Otherwise....don't play in the sandbox.
kshapero
South Florida Man
Whew! Then I am great. Ha