"Uber-rare" IIIc on Ebay

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captainslack

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Got to hand it to this guy, he really went all out on this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30030&item=7511771427&rd=1

Flashing text, GIGANTIC pics (which are quite nice, BTW), clip art of pin-up girls from 1940's era calenders, even Fritz the Cat!!! Not sure where the Dancing Baby from Ally McBeal came from, though. :confused:

However, how much of this is BS? I'm not that up on Leica-lore, so how rare is this camera and that triggerwinder?
 
Well, the camera and lens look relatively average at best in condition. So, figure $250 for those and $2000 for the uber rare trigger winder.
 
ALL this guy's auctions have the animated GIFs, blinking text, etc... I think he just has a template and plugs his current item into it.

By the way, that's Felix the Cat, not Fritz. Felix was created by Otto Messmer in 1919, and was the world's most popular animated cartoon character until that ratty goody-two-shoes Mickey Mouse appeared. Felix's pacing-back-and-forth schtik, as seen in the animated GIF, is his most famous trademark.

No idea whether wartime IIIcs are really all that valuable, but I'm sure all the Leicaholics have the resources to find out...
 
jlw said:
By the way, that's Felix the Cat, not Fritz. Felix was created by Otto Messmer in 1919, and was the world's most popular animated cartoon character until that ratty goody-two-shoes Mickey Mouse appeared. Felix's pacing-back-and-forth schtik, as seen in the animated GIF, is his most famous trademark.
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:bang:

I knew that!!! Got him mixed up with his porn star twin brother for a moment there! :eek:
 
Woow buy a Leica IIIC and buy a rapidwinder apart and you have the odd leica IIIC. This seller seems like if he want to win some extra dollars for the hoolidays ...
 
According to Gandy's list of serial numbers, it was produced sometime between 1943 and 1946 (not 1941). This doesn't rule out that it may be postwar, in which case Chester Sartorius gives it a rarity grade of CCC (extremely common).
 
richard_l said:
According to Gandy's list of serial numbers, it was produced sometime between 1943 and 1946 (not 1941). This doesn't rule out that it may be postwar, in which case Chester Sartorius gives it a rarity grade of CCC (extremely common).
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So much for "uber-rare". :p
 
....FELIX THE CAT IS AUSTRALIAN!

Hands off! :)

Sorry, very off topic issue, but "Felix the Cat" has been the center of a ongoing argument as to who by and when he was created.

He was created by Pat Sullivan, an Australian cartoonist.....AND the first film was called "The Tail of Thomas Kat" in 1917!!! A good two years before he was claimed to have been created by Otto Messmer.

If you are interested there is an upcoming exhibition at the State Library of New South Wales here in Sydney, Australia:

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/exhibitions/felix/
 
Oh, come on, nobody has ever disputed that Felix was created for the Pat Sullivan Studios, that Messmer worked for Sullivan (who had left Australia in 1909 and was working in New York by 1917) or that Sullivan previously had created a cat character with a different name before Messmer came on board. (There were plenty of rabbits in cartoons before Bugs Bunny, too, but that doesn't mean they all were Bugs Bunny.)

The only "controversy" was whether Messmer was simply an assistant animator for Sullivan, or played a more active role in developing the character. An American animation historian claimed in 1977 that Messmer deserved more credit, and a whole bunch of Australians promptly jumped on his back, although it looks to me like a case of people desperately scratching around for something to be offended about. For example, Judy Nelson, curator of the NSW State Library, comes off more as an obvious partisan than a dispassionate researcher in this article.

Granted, this is completely off-topic. True, Vredeborch in Germany made a camera called the Felica in 1954, but it had nothing to do with Felix and wasn't even a rangefinder!
 
..."Oh, come on, nobody has ever disputed that Felix was created for the Pat Sullivan Studios, that Messmer worked for Sullivan (who had left Australia in 1909 and was working in New York by 1917) or that Sullivan previously had created a cat character with a different name before Messmer came on board."

So what is your point??? :D Pat Sullivan created Felix the Cat...period. Might have been called "Thomas the Kat" to start with but its the same character.... the name might have changed between 1917 and 1919 but the design, style and character of the Cat didn't, and all of that was the creative creation of Pat Sullivan.

..."For example, Judy Nelson, curator of the NSW State Library, comes off more as an obvious partisan than a dispassionate researcher in this article."

...Mmm well the article you quoted is in fact a transcript from what was a small segment within a weekly history television show designed for ABC TV (National Broadcaster and similar in essence to the PBS), and as you have not actually seen this TV program I would be hesitant as to how you describe the curator based on your personal interpretation of the transcript. Also worth noting that the TV show aired in October of last year, I am not even sure if Judy Nelson still works at the NSWSL, let alone if she is the curator of the upcoming exhibition. Besides had you seen the actual TV show and knew for instance that the host is in fact a political cartoonist for a major Australian newspaper, and had you seen it in context, you'd have realised there was never any claim to this short TV segment being an all out objective piece of research.

Anyway....FELIX IS AN AUSSIE! Get over it. :p
 
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