skibeerr
Well-known
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dipTqJfiE4&feature=related
In this tutorial Joel Meyerowitzexplains his view on street photography.
The way he moves around on the street making his shots seems so agressive and altough he tells us he makes himself invissible he jumps into peoples faces. Makes me wonder if nobody disagrees.
Is this the way to do it?
Regards,
Wim
In this tutorial Joel Meyerowitzexplains his view on street photography.
The way he moves around on the street making his shots seems so agressive and altough he tells us he makes himself invissible he jumps into peoples faces. Makes me wonder if nobody disagrees.
Is this the way to do it?
Regards,
Wim
Joao
Negativistic forever
Hi
Too intrusive IMO, and definitely not invisible
I wonder how would he react if someone was photographing him the same way he does to others, while he was taking other people's photos...
Cheers
Joao
Too intrusive IMO, and definitely not invisible
I wonder how would he react if someone was photographing him the same way he does to others, while he was taking other people's photos...
Cheers
Joao
sircarl
Well-known
Well, since Meyerowitz is regarded as a fine street photographer, maybe this isn't "too crazy." I don't think he's being aggressive at all. He doesn't shove the camera in people's faces, has a big smile, makes friendly remarks. I really liked this clip. But then, I'm originally from New York. 
Pherdinand
the snow must go on
i wonder how much is the show for the camera (i mean the video camera recording him).
lubitel
Well-known
nothing against Joel Meyerowitz, but this video of his is really strange. wearing all black, and jumping around like ninja makes you more suspicious than invisible.
the video of gary winogrand is the one to watch,
his friendly and relaxed attitude, his moves, the way he jokes when someone asks "hey, what are you doing?" its inspiring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4f-QFCUek
p.s. I think new york is such a busy, active city with lots of artists and photographers, that you can get away with this "joel"-style, people are may be used to it, as in many other big cities in the world like Berlin or whatever. but when you are in a different setting: small town, village or just a smaller city, you will completely stand out.
the video of gary winogrand is the one to watch,
his friendly and relaxed attitude, his moves, the way he jokes when someone asks "hey, what are you doing?" its inspiring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl4f-QFCUek
p.s. I think new york is such a busy, active city with lots of artists and photographers, that you can get away with this "joel"-style, people are may be used to it, as in many other big cities in the world like Berlin or whatever. but when you are in a different setting: small town, village or just a smaller city, you will completely stand out.
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Todd.Hanz
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skibeerr
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Kudos
Kudos
You are right, I can relate to this man. Also here there is a feeling of respect towards his subject.
Kudos
You are right, I can relate to this man. Also here there is a feeling of respect towards his subject.
skibeerr
Well-known
Training
Training
Winogrand, Meyerowitz and Mermelstein.
Regardles of my likes or dislikes I am flabergasted by the technical skil of all three of them. They are one with their machine.
Three times Leica, a coincidence?
Training
Winogrand, Meyerowitz and Mermelstein.
Regardles of my likes or dislikes I am flabergasted by the technical skil of all three of them. They are one with their machine.
Three times Leica, a coincidence?
williams473
Well-known
I imagine he was playing to the (video) camera a little bit. An essential part of most artists I know is a little bit (if not a lot) of narcissism.
That said, getting in front of people is all part of it, especially if you are making images in which the subject confronts the viewer. There's no real right way or wrong way - but depending on how much you want to stand out, there are measures you can take. It's true, in NYC there's so much stuff going on down in the streets that you could pretty much do anything and not seem out of place. But NYC is done to death - I am utra-tired of NYC street photography, and Paris for that matter, but that's beside the point.
I think an often overlooked component of street photography that falls victim to getting in people's faces is composition. My mentor showed me how to find a spot on the street, settle in to it and wait for a while to see what unfolds. To make an analogy to theater, you're looking for a "set" that is well composed and lit, in which the subjects are the players. Sometimes you just walk into it and it's just right there and you barely have time to grab it - other times you have to really struggle, keep the camera to your eye, and wait. I will concede that there is also value in spontaneous shots in which composition is subjegated to the "moment," but the composition must still work after the fact, even if it is accidental.
That said, getting in front of people is all part of it, especially if you are making images in which the subject confronts the viewer. There's no real right way or wrong way - but depending on how much you want to stand out, there are measures you can take. It's true, in NYC there's so much stuff going on down in the streets that you could pretty much do anything and not seem out of place. But NYC is done to death - I am utra-tired of NYC street photography, and Paris for that matter, but that's beside the point.
I think an often overlooked component of street photography that falls victim to getting in people's faces is composition. My mentor showed me how to find a spot on the street, settle in to it and wait for a while to see what unfolds. To make an analogy to theater, you're looking for a "set" that is well composed and lit, in which the subjects are the players. Sometimes you just walk into it and it's just right there and you barely have time to grab it - other times you have to really struggle, keep the camera to your eye, and wait. I will concede that there is also value in spontaneous shots in which composition is subjegated to the "moment," but the composition must still work after the fact, even if it is accidental.
kbg32
neo-romanticist
This has been posted here before. I find it hilarious that he is demonstrating street photography on 57th and 5th, one of the safest areas in NYC to do this. While early in his career, Meyerowitz was noted as a color street photographer. He became much more well known for his work with large format in his books, "Cape Light" and "Red Heads", much more visually and commercially accessible work.
Lord Fluff
Established
Rather O/T, but if you were just thinking about stuff, you weren't meditating...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation
Winogrand seems like a nice guy - though his approach seems very 'spray and pray' - check out the filing cabinet stuffed with undeveloped film....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditation
Winogrand seems like a nice guy - though his approach seems very 'spray and pray' - check out the filing cabinet stuffed with undeveloped film....
Nh3
Well-known
That's the only way to do street. sneaking around and being passive is not going to cut it.
pictures are out there in the street and you have to have the energy, technical skills, and courage to' take them'... true street photography is very hard and it can easily burn you out (check my thread bellow, when i was talking of street photography, this is what i meant).
pictures are out there in the street and you have to have the energy, technical skills, and courage to' take them'... true street photography is very hard and it can easily burn you out (check my thread bellow, when i was talking of street photography, this is what i meant).
BillP
Rangefinder General
Interesting.
I read the comments above before watching the clip, and I expected to be irritated by it. About halfway through, I restarted it and walked away - I only listened to the words. What he says makes far more sense than the way he behaves. I agree with many other posters - you may be able to get away with that in New York, or many another big city, but try that anywhere smaller or more parochial and you will find that a smack in the mouth often offends.
Regards,
Bill
I read the comments above before watching the clip, and I expected to be irritated by it. About halfway through, I restarted it and walked away - I only listened to the words. What he says makes far more sense than the way he behaves. I agree with many other posters - you may be able to get away with that in New York, or many another big city, but try that anywhere smaller or more parochial and you will find that a smack in the mouth often offends.
Regards,
Bill
pesphoto
Veteran
RSphoto
Newbie
too intrusive i think.
no wonder people acts like they dont recognize him, because of a huge video camera.
sorry for bad english lang.
no wonder people acts like they dont recognize him, because of a huge video camera.
sorry for bad english lang.
hehe my Chinese girlfriend complains about Tokyo all the time, because in Tokyo an old lady would probably cut off the guy trying to walk through the 6-7 inch gap before he can. The concept of personal space just does not seem to exist ...
jbf
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I have to play devils advocate today it seems...
I have a feeling most of you have never tried shooting like Mermelstein(sp?) or winogrand before.
If so you'll find that its far less intrusive than you imagine from those videos.
I've shot like that in small towns such as Savannah, GA and even in my current residence in the small town of Lacoste, France which only has a few hundred residents. I have yet to have a single person be upset or angry or feel intruded upon. It's all about how you carry yourself, your personal feelings and expressions to others as well. I always have a huge smil eon my frace and say Merci, thank you, nodding, etc.
I have come to be friends with quite a few of the people i've shot as well. They see me regularly and will often ask me how my photographs are coming along, etc.
The thing is most people feel too afraid to try this style of shooting. And when they do actually try it, they are their own undoing. If you feel uneasy when you are shooting or feel as if you are doing something wrong, it will show and people will pick up on it. If you dont have the confidence to take the photograph then people will know and their sixth sense will bite into it.
Be confident, friendly and happy.
Personally, regardless of the shooting style. My mantra has always been, if someone is going to get mad, they are just going to anyway. There is no way to stop that.
If i think it is 'the shot' I am going to take it regardless of if the person will get mad or not. There comes a time when it doesnt matter if that person gets mad or not. Will you ever see them again? Chances are it will not matter. Even so, in my experience most who do get upset would have been upset no matter how you photographed them.
Granted, keep in mind there are obviously exceptions to this. If it's an extremely sensitive natre (the photograph or 'moment') and it could do greater harm than good, obviously caution and care should be taken.
I have a feeling most of you have never tried shooting like Mermelstein(sp?) or winogrand before.
If so you'll find that its far less intrusive than you imagine from those videos.
I've shot like that in small towns such as Savannah, GA and even in my current residence in the small town of Lacoste, France which only has a few hundred residents. I have yet to have a single person be upset or angry or feel intruded upon. It's all about how you carry yourself, your personal feelings and expressions to others as well. I always have a huge smil eon my frace and say Merci, thank you, nodding, etc.
I have come to be friends with quite a few of the people i've shot as well. They see me regularly and will often ask me how my photographs are coming along, etc.
The thing is most people feel too afraid to try this style of shooting. And when they do actually try it, they are their own undoing. If you feel uneasy when you are shooting or feel as if you are doing something wrong, it will show and people will pick up on it. If you dont have the confidence to take the photograph then people will know and their sixth sense will bite into it.
Be confident, friendly and happy.
Personally, regardless of the shooting style. My mantra has always been, if someone is going to get mad, they are just going to anyway. There is no way to stop that.
If i think it is 'the shot' I am going to take it regardless of if the person will get mad or not. There comes a time when it doesnt matter if that person gets mad or not. Will you ever see them again? Chances are it will not matter. Even so, in my experience most who do get upset would have been upset no matter how you photographed them.
Granted, keep in mind there are obviously exceptions to this. If it's an extremely sensitive natre (the photograph or 'moment') and it could do greater harm than good, obviously caution and care should be taken.
yanidel
Well-known
Any idea on what focal length he is using ? 28, 35?