Upcoming Canon large sensor compact

Back to the topic: I doubt that they can make a compact, APSC, with fast zoom lens, physics be damned. Sounds more like fan fiction to me (It's a CR1)
 
A "large compact" with a G1X-sized sensor, with a prime or a small range zoom, that should be doable.
But being Canon, I think they'll forego the idea of going with a prime lense.
 
Not that I endorse that, but in-camera software correction for heavy distortion could do the trick - as practiced by µ4/3 or even the RX100.
 
Kwesi said:
Perhaps the question to be asked is - why the sudden interest in APS-C mirror less viewfinder less compacts by the major camera manufacturers?
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Because they can... many of us want a pocketable large sensor camera. Also, if you need to ask why Ricoh went that route, just look at the history of the GR. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean others don't too.
 
Kwesi said:
Perhaps the question to be asked is - why the sudden interest in APS-C mirror less viewfinder less compacts by the major camera manufacturers?
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Most amateurs, the main drivers of camera sales after smartphone revelution, already own a pretty decent DSLR and a decent mirrorless as well, what they want is a large sensor compact "to go with those".

Traditional consumers of compacts have gone to smartphones for good, and since those people are not RAW shooters a large sensor don't mean much to them.


The viewfinder-less aspect is interesting because it may hint at these large sensor compacts as a stop-gap measure before they announce the ones with VF... Why sell all the features in one camera when you can spread the features into many products over time and make more money...
 
Exdsc said:
The viewfinder-less aspect is interesting because it may hint at these large sensor compacts as a stop-gap measure before they announce the ones with VF... Why sell all the features in one camera when you can spread the features into many products over time and make more money...
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I feel there is some truth to this too...
 
jsrockit said:
Because they can... many of us want a pocketable large sensor camera. Also, if you need to ask why Ricoh went that route, just look at the history of the GR. Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean others don't too.
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I was actually trying to put myself in the manufacturers shoes to figure out whats the motivation?
I never asked why Ricoh went that route. if i gave you the impression that i dont like this type of camera i apologize. Or perhaps that part of your response was meant for someone else. In any case these are very interesting times for digital camera aficionados.
 
Kwesi said:
if i gave you the impression that i dont like this type of camera i apologize. Or perhaps that part of your response was meant for someone else. In any case these are very interesting times for digital camera aficionados.
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No need to apologize and I understand now. I tend to be a little blunt. I agree, it is an interesting time.
 
No worries, i think my frustration comes from the fact that for me radical change or true innovation ( like what was introduced in the Fuji X100), is coming too slowly
 
Exdsc said:
Most amateurs, the main drivers of camera sales after smartphone revelution, already own a pretty decent DSLR and a decent mirrorless as well, what they want is a large sensor compact "to go with those".

Traditional consumers of compacts have gone to smartphones for good, and since those people are not RAW shooters a large sensor don't mean much to them.

The viewfinder-less aspect is interesting because it may hint at these large sensor compacts as a stop-gap measure before they announce the ones with VF... Why sell all the features in one camera when you can spread the features into many products over time and make more money...
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A viewfinder adds volume on top of the rear LCD and larger lens mouth necessary for digital sensors. The Fuji X100 is large sensor as it the Ricoh GR and Coolpix A (Sony's NEX, etc.). The latter 2 have passive external VF options and become pocketable as a result (just). The Fuji has a built-in, hybrid optical VF and is, as a result considerably larger. The X100 really does not fall into a "compact" category, and it's all because of the ocular system sitting on top of the digital one.

You won't get compact and optical VF's in the same pocektable package using m43 sensors and above. There just isn't room for the ocular portion without it sitting top a la the X100. There's really only so far miniaturization can go before you have give up something, like a sub-100 shot batter life, for example, to make room for VF optics with an eye-level ocular.
 
Aristophanes said:
A viewfinder adds volume on top of the rear LCD and larger lens mouth necessary for digital sensors. The Fuji X100 is large sensor as it the Ricoh GR and Coolpix A (Sony's NEX, etc.). The latter 2 have passive external VF options and become pocketable as a result (just). The Fuji has a built-in, hybrid optical VF and is, as a result considerably larger. The X100 really does not fall into a "compact" category, and it's all because of the ocular system sitting on top of the digital one.

You won't get compact and optical VF's in the same pocektable package using m43 sensors and above. There just isn't room for the ocular portion without it sitting top a la the X100. There's really only so far miniaturization can go before you have give up something, like a sub-100 shot batter life, for example, to make room for VF optics with an eye-level ocular.
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Just a thought, but don't most or all of these cameras have built in flashes? Now maybe I am showing my bias towards available light photography, but when I consider the fact that most of these cameras can give acceptable results at ISO 3200 I would gladly sacrifice the flash for an optical viewfinder (which I would use far more often).

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Bill
 
jsrockit said:
Well, we will see... Panasonic was able to do this...so it'll only be a matter of time IMO.

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/compact/lf1/specifications.html
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But this is a real small sensor (1/1.7) camera and we really don't know yet if the evf experience w/ be satisfactory. But I do agree w/ u that eventually it will happen so long as there is enough of a demand to warrant it.

If u look at today's evf (nex6 maybe the thinest), it may add enough height and/or thickness to the camera, that it could push it out of pocketable category.... There was a new evf technology someone recently announced that looks small enough. We could c it in the nex generation of these cameras.

Hymmmmm.. Now I this thread has caused me vacillate and maybe wait a gen... :( :)

Gary
 
GaryLH said:
But this is a real small sensor (1/1.7) camera and we really don't know yet if the evf experience w/ be satisfactory. But I do agree w/ u that eventually it will happen so long as there is enough of a demand to warrant it.
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The point was that a VF can be added into a small digital camera and this will only get better in the future.
 
Rang-er said:
- Compete with smartphones on the one hand, and with µ4/3 on the other
- Recycle their sensors even more (go Canon, go!)
- Hook compact/smartphone users into APS-C - i.e. the bigger system cameras they offer
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My thoughts exactly. If Canon has a supply of APS-C chips and their DSLR market is tanking (which I think DSLR sales all around certainly are) then it makes a lot of sense to find a better, smaller package for the nice sensor. Half opportunity, half desperation...
 
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