Update to Catalina...or not?

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I keep getting Update prompts to change to Catalina 10 15 7


Presently I use Mojave 10 14 6 along with LightRoom 6. All is working well.
IIRC, some users have reported "issues" with the Catalina - LightRoom combination.

Currently I am using an older mac mini (2012)


Thoughts?
 
I updated to Catalina and regretted it immediately. It caused problems with so many programs and took ages and lots of frustration to sort them out. If I were you I would stick with Mojave, especially as I see you are using LR6. If it works don't try to fix it!
 
Not meaning to hijack the thread but....

Okay then, let's talk about Big Sur with Lightroom 6. How is that working for folks?

My Mac is a late 2015. I'm getting the prompts as well and I need to do something soon.
 
Buy one computer for photos and work and another cheap for internet and email. Unplug first from internet and forever leave it off.

That or partition the HD or run one on external HD and never mix.
 
Catalina has been running fine on my 2012 Mac Mini for over a year, but I don't use Lightroom. Big Sur is out of the question because the 2012 isn't on the list of Macs that can run it. Catalina is the end of the line for the 2012.
 
Got all excited at the title. Thought someone was upgrading from a Grumman Goose to a Consolidated Catalina.
Those two blisters in the back would be great for aerial photography.
 
I updated one of my two of my Mac to Catalina - after which both Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 6 needed to be upgraded to the subscription version, which are now called LrC 10.11 and PS 22.11.

I still haven't updated my MacBook Pro to Catalina and my question is:

Will Adobe let me run the same subscription on two machines - or - does it require "two" subscriptions?
 
Thanks to all for the advice.
I'll stay pat unless faced with a compelling reason to change.
Come to think of it, that's how I conduct my life anyway. :)
 
Solinar said:
I updated one of my two of my Mac to Catalina - after which both Lightroom 6 and Photoshop 6 needed to be upgraded to the subscription version, which are now called LrC 10.11 and PS 22.11.

I still haven't updated my MacBook Pro to Catalina and my question is:

Will Adobe let me run the same subscription on two machines - or - does it require "two" subscriptions?
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I believe you can run the same subscription on two machines, Andrew.
John Mc
 
I have an "early 2015" MacBook Pro and run Big Sur. I have had no problems. I have always run the latest OSX release.

I use Lightroom quite frequently, with occasional use of Photoshop when I need something special.

I suggest people who say there are problems be more specific.

I have 16Gb of RAM. I also upgraded the original 750Gb SSD drive to a 2Tb drive, so performance is very good. The 2Tb drive causes faster battery drain and a bit of instability (meaning the machine will sometimes crash, but as you folks know, Macs recover from crashes pretty well). I have not had the bad luck to crash in the middle of some long photo workflow. If I had had that problem I could put the original 750Gb drive back in.

So the instability is my only problem, but that is caused by the 2Tb drive, not by the operating system.

For what it's worth, I use a brand-new MacBook Pro (2020) for work, and it came with a 1Tb drive. I think that is the largest Apple really supports and recommends for its laptops.

I have a 13 in MacBook Pro, by the way. I would rather have a very portable laptop. When I want a bigger image I plug into a 27 inch monitor. Those are cheap considering what they do for you.

Sorry... I am probably telling you folks a number of things you already know. However, I wanted to provide a counterexample to the negative statements about Catalina and Big Sur.

Tom
 
mcfingon said:
I believe you can run the same subscription on two machines, Andrew.
John Mc
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Yes, the same subscription can be used for two computers which should not be used it in the same time. Being a personal subscription it is assumed you cannot work with two computers in the same moment.

To be more clear I have it on my desktop and on my laptop and when I work with LR on the desktop my wife cannot work with LR on the labtop. But as soon as I stop she can!
This is theory, I do not believe they keep it under control!
 
Tom Diaz said:
I have an "early 2015" MacBook Pro and run Big Sur. I have had no problems. I have always run the latest OSX release.

I use Lightroom quite frequently, with occasional use of Photoshop when I need something special.

I suggest people who say there are problems be more specific.

I have 16Gb of RAM. I also upgraded the original 750Gb SSD drive to a 2Tb drive, so performance is very good. The 2Tb drive causes faster battery drain and a bit of instability (meaning the machine will sometimes crash, but as you folks know, Macs recover from crashes pretty well). I have not had the bad luck to crash in the middle of some long photo workflow. If I had had that problem I could put the original 750Gb drive back in.

So the instability is my only problem, but that is caused by the 2Tb drive, not by the operating system.

For what it's worth, I use a brand-new MacBook Pro (2020) for work, and it came with a 1Tb drive. I think that is the largest Apple really supports and recommends for its laptops.

I have a 13 in MacBook Pro, by the way. I would rather have a very portable laptop. When I want a bigger image I plug into a 27 inch monitor. Those are cheap considering what they do for you.

Sorry... I am probably telling you folks a number of things you already know. However, I wanted to provide a counterexample to the negative statements about Catalina and Big Sur.

Tom
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are you running a brand-new MBP early 2020 or late 2020?
I heard Lightroom can be a little buggy with BigSur running on M1 chip vs Intel as after all it is running through Rosetta.
So everyone is waiting for a native Lightroom version at the moment

I'm waiting for the new 2021 versions to see what Apple can make, not in a rush as my early 2015 MBP is more than enough for my laptops need.
But I have no issues running BigSur OS and Lightroom.

Catalina is a big update from Mojave though as it is more strict with security than previous versions.
 
I used LR Classic CC on a 2012 Mac-Mini (16 GB/1TB) running Catalina. There were no issues whatsoever.

BTW, the LR Classic CC subscription supports using two different computers at a time. In principle you could use any number of computers at a time if you sign out of the Adobe Creative Cloud application on one of the Macs and sign in on another. For a while I used LR Classic CC on three Macs (but only two simultaneously).

The only reason to not upgrade Catalina is the loosing access to 32 bit applications.

Ignoring the increased ability to function in the Apple ecosystem and access to newer applications, the reason to upgrade to Catalina is its increased security and privacy features. Just disconnect the 2012 Mac-Mini from the internet and these advantages become moot.

In terms of stand-alone LR 6, eventually a 2012 Mac-Mini will fail and you will have to switch to LR Classic CC or transition to a non-subscription application. That said, a 2012 Mac-Mini could easily last another 5 years as this is the last Mac that is simple to upgrade and repair.

The 2020 M1 Mac-Mini has increased the number of used 2012 Mac-Minis on the market. Anyone committed to Mojave and LR 6 might consider buying a clean used 2012 Mac-Mini in the next 6 months or so as a back up machine. I think this strategy could support using a 2012 Mac-Mini/Mojave for at least another decade.
 
taemo said:
are you running a brand-new MBP early 2020 or late 2020?
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We're now getting farther from the original post, but that's OK with me if it is helpful to people.

This is my work machine you're asking about. It's an Intel machine. I ordered one with the M1 chip, but my IT people ordered me an Intel machine in spite of that! They might have been right for at least a brief time, because there are many modern programs that have not yet been recompiled for the M1 chip. (The work machine is for software development, not photography work, but still.)

So, folks, if you are thinking of a brand new Macbook Pro with the amazing new M1 chip, check to see whether your favorite programs (for me and many in this forum that would mean Lightroom, Photoshop, and ACR) have been built to run in native mode on the M1. Watch this space:

https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/apple-silicon-m1-chip.html

Right at this moment of writing it is just Lightroom. There are known bugs (or as the young folks say, "issues") with Photoshop.

Tom
 
Lightroom 6.14 (perpetual license) was broken in some parts even on macOS Mojave. It does not load at all on macOS Catalina unless you jump through some hoops and becomes even more unstable. If you rely on LR 6.14 and want to stay with it, and have an older Mac anyway, don't upgrade past Mojave.

I bought LR Classic for macOS Catalina, which also runs perfectly on macOS Big Sur, with all the old things that were broken in LR 6.14 now working again, and some new features. The $10/month tax I'm not happy with, but for the moment I have no problem with it ... I'm working on a couple of things to use instead anyway.

(My principal investigation now is to use the combination of Photos with RAW Power as my base image processing system on macOS, iOS, and iPadOS, alongside Hasselblad's Phocus 2 and Phocus Mobile 2 software. Photos and Phocus are free, and RAW Power is very reasonably priced, and not rent-ware. :) )

Regards upgrading macOS: I always upgrade, and I always keep all my apps up to date. And, in fact, I like most of the updated things: they constitute improvements for the most part.

The only irreplaceable, essential photography software that has died on the latest two major versions (late versions of Catalina and now Big Sur) is Lumen ... the native image processing software for my Light L16 camera. Without it, the camera is dead. So: I kept my nice old 2012 Mac mini, reinstalled macOS Mojave (last revision of it), and configured it to work headless to download photos from the Light L16 onto my external drive's archives, do whatever simple image processing I need on the images, then output to DNG format on the external drive's archives. At the end of that, I reattach the drive to my current 2018 Mac mini running Big Sur and pull the .DNG files into LR Classic for rendering.

Anything else that died along the way was incremental replaced with the next, better replacement software, so my system is always up to date and current.

G
 
After 13 years I finally bought a new computer. Wanted to share some experiences on what is and isn't working on a new iMac Intel Chip, Catalina machine.

As I've mentioned numerous times over the years, was a long time Photoshop user, but refused to buy into their "make me pay monthly rent on your software" plan. My old Mac Pro (2009) ran Photoshop CS6 with no issues on Sierra, and I occasionally used Lightroom 4. I had forgotten I purchased Lightroom 5 but did not like it as much as LR 4 so never used it.

With the new iMac I originally thought I'd use Photoshop Elements, which you can still buy outright, but it has a ton of Creative Cloud attachments that keep popping up, and the interface is not as straightforward as I was used to in PS CS6. Tried installing PS CS6 but the computer won't even recognize the installer on the disk. Happened to see the LR 5 disk in the closet so just for fun I popped it into the disk drive. And it loaded. And it installed. And it works. Noticed on the box it says it's a 64 bit-supported piece of software. Have only run it thru its paces for about twenty minutes, but everything seems to work fine.

So if you are a fan of Lightroom, and have a version 5 license, you might want to see if you can use that with Catalina, because for now, it is working for me. Again, this is an Intel machine, not the new M1 machine, but so far so good.

Hope that's helpful.

Best,
-Tim

PS: The other photo software that is working presently in Catalina on an iMac Intel machine is RAW Power, Nikon Capture NX-D, DxO OpticsPro 10, and the "just released today" Nikon NX Studio (which is very interesting).
 
Just to provide a data point: I am (mostly) happily working away on Mojave, both on my 2012 MacBook Pro and my 2013 iMac.

I'm not "upgrading" to Catalina or Big Sur, as I use several CS6 applications--particularly Photoshop--and I have no intention at present to engage in Adobe's subscription model. Photoshop CS6 does everything I need, so I'm not looking to change.

Not only that, two of my most-used pieces of software are only 32-bit: Tex Edit Plus is like the greatest simple text editor (with some really cool and useful features) ever, and I use an ancient Sinarback 54M with my Hasselblad V cameras, and the CaptureShop app that runs it will never be updated. Plus, the interface that connects it to my computers is FireWire.

I say I'm *mostly* happily working away with Mojave--twice recently, Apple system/security updates have broken my setup. I've been booting my iMac from an external SSD for the significant speed improvement, and recently their updates have sabotaged things so I can't boot from the external drive. The first time it happened, after much cursing and trying various magic tricks (I'm a pretty experienced Mac troubleshooter), I got it to work again. However, the most recent instance has so far frustrated every attempt I've made to get it to boot from the external drive. It's really pissing me off, frankly--to the point if I do "upgrade," it may very well be away from the Apple ecosystem entirely.
 
Just a random sample of 1 individual. PS and LR version 6 stopped working when I updated my 2013 iMac to Catalina.

There may have been a work around - but I bucked up and went with Adobe's base rate subscription plan for both programs.
 
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