Rob-F
Likes Leicas
There's a report of the R-D1 on luminous Landscape. The reviewer says there are reports of it being hard to see the 28mm framelines with eyeglasses on.
Any user comments or observations?
Rob
Any user comments or observations?
Rob
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
It really depends on the style of your glasses and therefore how close you can get your eye to the exit lens of the R-D1 finder.
I wear glasses which have fairly large lenses with thin metal frames and I can just see all of the 28mm framelines in the R-D1 finder without scanning. I can see a little beyond these lines if I scan with my eye. Perfectly usable for me. I use my right eye for viewing, but do have close my left eye for use with the 28mm framelines. Two eyed 1:1 viewing will only work with the 35 and 50mm lines for me.
I find that this works fine, but a friend who also wears glasses prefers to have a diopter correction eyepiece and push his glasses up out of the way when viewing. I have tried this, but although it has the advantage that you can then easily see the whole of the R-D1 frame and use it for 24/25mm lenses, I find it too inconvienient.
A personal trial with your own glasses is probably best if you can arrange it.
I wear glasses which have fairly large lenses with thin metal frames and I can just see all of the 28mm framelines in the R-D1 finder without scanning. I can see a little beyond these lines if I scan with my eye. Perfectly usable for me. I use my right eye for viewing, but do have close my left eye for use with the 28mm framelines. Two eyed 1:1 viewing will only work with the 35 and 50mm lines for me.
I find that this works fine, but a friend who also wears glasses prefers to have a diopter correction eyepiece and push his glasses up out of the way when viewing. I have tried this, but although it has the advantage that you can then easily see the whole of the R-D1 frame and use it for 24/25mm lenses, I find it too inconvienient.
A personal trial with your own glasses is probably best if you can arrange it.
sevres_babylone
Veteran
I cannot see the 28mm framelines without scanning, and this has discouraged me from getting the 28mm ultron. I would not be able to work quickly and frame accurately.
I do occasionally use the 25mm snapshot skopar, using the whole VF, but it does involve scanning and effort.
I do occasionally use the 25mm snapshot skopar, using the whole VF, but it does involve scanning and effort.
Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Thanks for the replies so far. When I use a 35mm lens on my M2, I can't really see all the way into the corners without scanning; but from long use, I know where they are. Pressing my glasses closer helps me to maximize my view; in fact it is necessary. The result is satifactory enough that I don't necessarily feel the need to switch to my .58 body. But it's tight.
So: is it like that, with the R-D1? This is an issue that makes me hold back on getting one. (Another issues is the lack of 24mm and wider framelines.)
So: is it like that, with the R-D1? This is an issue that makes me hold back on getting one. (Another issues is the lack of 24mm and wider framelines.)
JonasYip
Well-known
I have to scan a little to see the edges of the 28 framelines. But like you said, I know roughly where they are and am comfortable using them. I would't be able to do the "whole viewfinder =~ 25mm" thing though.
But depends on your glasses... Mine are small and pretty thin, and I have very little bridge (Asian nose) so I can get fairly close...
J
But depends on your glasses... Mine are small and pretty thin, and I have very little bridge (Asian nose) so I can get fairly close...
J
Tuolumne
Veteran
My glasses are thick, even with high index plastic, and I have a hard time seeing the 28mm frame lines on the R-D1 without peering around every corner of the viewfinder. But since RF viewfinder frames are just approximations anyway, it's not that bad. Once I can see a corner of the 28mm frame lines, I pretty much know where everything else would fall. If you're used to shooting a camera with glasses, then it shouldn't be that much more of a bother. I always use the 28mm frame lines when shooting indoors at close quarters, like events or parties.
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Rob-F
Likes Leicas
Thanks for the comments! Sounds like there needs to be an R-D1W, for wide angle lenses, with lower magnification and framelines for 21 and 24mm lenses in addition to the 28/35/50 frames.
ampguy
Veteran
I can see them about as well as on my .72 M6 with glasses pressed close (I'm slightly myopic - nearsighted). I'd be concerned about scraping expensive glasses on the eyepiece. I generally use a diopter and no glasses, which gives even a better view for 28. I use a real 28 (zeiss 28/2.8 Biogon), not a 25.
Jim Watts
Still trying to See.
The framelines in the R-D1 have a 'safety' factor of x0.85 at infinity, so there is quite a margin around the edges of the image on sensor compared to when using the full extent of the framelines with a 28mm (43mm equivalent lens). The field of view is closer to that of a 50mm lens, so if you can't quite see the corners its not really a problem as what you do see should still be on the sensor.
My own past experience with the M2 and present with the M4 and a 35mm lens would suggest that what you are seeing with these should just about translate to the R-D1.
The only real attraction of the M8 for me is to get closer to a 35 on 35mm without additional finders.
My own past experience with the M2 and present with the M4 and a 35mm lens would suggest that what you are seeing with these should just about translate to the R-D1.
The only real attraction of the M8 for me is to get closer to a 35 on 35mm without additional finders.
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