steviegy
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Guys over at Flickr are getting nervous
http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilm/discuss/72157634172625511/
http://www.flickr.com/groups/ishootfilm/discuss/72157634172625511/
Velvia, Provia worry
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thegman
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Would be good to get some hard facts. I don't care if either one of Velvia 50 or Velvia 100 goes away, I found them to be basically the same apart from one stop of speed of course. So long as I get to keep one of them.
If not, then I suppose it'll be a changed to Ektar 100.
If not, then I suppose it'll be a changed to Ektar 100.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
It would be a pity if all slide film went the way of the Dodo - projection is still a thing where digital is considerably inferior. On the other hand, a few cine labs will continue, as the archival market won't go away - and some of them will probably embrace the new market for slide duplicates off CN film, if slide should vanish.
I wouldn't take any notice of anything those numptys have to say.
Oh forgot to mention.
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Oh forgot to mention.
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thegman
Veteran
Could not agree more, I just mean that *one* of the Velvias would not be that big a deal to lose, but both would be a real shame.
Photo_Smith
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Don't worry be happy. Panic and speculation won't make your day.
Kanamit
Member
Agreed that as long as this isn't the first step in phasing out slide films entirely (assuming it's true) I can live with it.
Moto-Uno
Moto-Uno
It's simple guys,just buy more film!!!Peter
btgc
Veteran
Quality isn't a factor anymore. Think about other areas - foods, drinks, and likes - where customers have accepted what industries are offering. Lower costs, longer storage, faster delivery - one gets everything for a price of quality, real quality. People accept cheaper alternatives of worse quality because it's just easier for everyone involved.
Ronald M
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Kodak quit slide film a year ago. IT PROBABLY DOES NOT SELL.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Quality never has been much of a factor in the mass market - just remember the ever-shrinking film formats and increasingly dumbed-down cameras. There are only a rare few moments in history when the mainstream consumer camera got that flimsy and poor value that the consumers quit on a large scale and bought something up-market (sometimes to the surprise of the industry) - notably the SLR breakthrough.
Nonetheless, there are niche markets for quality, and some makers cater for niche markets. What's more, slide has already been a niche market for at least thirty years.
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
Kodak's at least did not. Fuji have been market leader in slide film for something like twenty years. Kodak were the makers of the arguably inferior slide film, and long lost the D&R capabilities to do something about being a mere second rate player in the shrinking slide market. On the other hand, Fuji quit cine (and most of CN) where they were in a similar position...
Photo_Smith
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Sevo
Is it true that slide film is more widely used in Germany than other countries? I have been told that the market is larger there, and that projection is still popular.
I used transparency in the 1980's even then it was a minor player, in fact I recall that according to PMA figures for 1991 there were more blank 35mm films developed than 35mm slide films sold...
Is it true that slide film is more widely used in Germany than other countries? I have been told that the market is larger there, and that projection is still popular.
I used transparency in the 1980's even then it was a minor player, in fact I recall that according to PMA figures for 1991 there were more blank 35mm films developed than 35mm slide films sold...
tsiklonaut
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This.
So buy some E6, go out shooting nice shots, develop and enjoy those vivid slides on your light table or scanned through decent scanner + printed or even viewed on computer screen. You've done your part on supporting the E6 and you've made your day.
I just bought some 20 rolls of Fuji E6 stuff. Expensive? Even together with the "expensive" development: hell no! The results are more than worth this (a mere currency vs a pure analog color art) if you ask me.
Tanjung Aan beach by tsiklonaut, on Flickr
Cheers,
Margus
sevo
Fokutorendaburando
I can find no solid data on current slide consumption here or elsewhere. And past data are of little use. Other than in the US, where there always had been some pro niches that demanded CN, and CN was at least grudgingly accepted even by advertising agencies and book or magazine publishers, slide has been the only accepted colour film type for commercial photographers hereabouts - most postpro and printing houses had no facilities to scan or rasterize colour prints or negatives. CN only rose to some acceptance for press work when digital was already looming ahead. So we had a comparatively huge slide market. But this makes it even harder to sort out whether and to what extent there was a non-pro market within it.
Indeed. If only the other manufacturers of film had followed Kodak's lead in recent years, every time they made a business decision, they, too, might be where Kodak is today.
WOULDN'T THAT BE GRAND?
Cheers,
Brett
thegman
Veteran
I almost hope you're right, because it would be easier to accept that quite simply, people were not buying a product, so it had to be discontinued. In reality though, even in small businesses it's more about 'strategy' than sales these days, impressing Wall Street with your grand plans rather than actually making any money.
Obviously companies need to think long term, and perhaps items which sell now, may not sell in a few years. Last I heard, Kodak film division was profitable, and turning over hundreds of millions of dollars. It was probably a great business, just nowhere near great enough to offset the rest of the losses.
clayne
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Shoot film.
Shoot slide.
Love E6.
Shoot slide.
Love E6.
Photo_Smith
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Yes shoot it, I just ordered some Velvia the colours are wonderful...
