Village mob thwarts Google Street View car

bob338 said:
actually 'any commercial vehicle with 6 or more passengers' is not allowed to turn onto any of our residential streets. and yes, we do call the police when they try to wedge those g*dd*mend tour vans up the hill!

i know what they're doing is perfectly legal, i'm just saying that i can understand the outrage of the people grumbling about it. i think google has gone too far. if someone wants to rob my neighborhood, i want them to at least rent a plane and take their own surveillance photos!

bob
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The article is about people in the UK rioting over this. You live in California.

Is it illegal to drive a Brittish double decker bus down the street in question, which is in England?

Now as for you in California: Is it illegal for your neighbors to look out their second and third story windows that overlook your property? Are the telephone linemen breaking the law every time they go to work without a blindfold? What about UPS, Fedex, the mailman, meter readers, process servers, cable TV people, utilities workers, trash collectors, police, bail bond agents and the hundreds of other people which have legally mandated access to your property?
 
kully said:
Not liking anti-photography laws one bit, I would still say that the difference between street maps and someone with a camera is street maps is for everyone to see and the bloke with the camera (perhaps wearing a communist hat or a hook for a hand) isn't.
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You don't post photos to the net?
 
Run, it's technology coming to reap your soul!

This is a joke... fring'n rich people with nothing to do.
Really, theives will use this to scope out neighborhoods? Really? They wouldnt go scope out a neighborhood by driving around? Maybe getting a little info at that time about your patterns and when you would be around or not? This really assists theives that much!
Yes, please wall off your house to avoid the public... nothing a thief likes better than privacy when robbing you blind. The bigger the fence the easier to rob.

I would think that photogs would be for allowing photos / videos from public spaces??? Even if it is the evil google!!!

sheesh, I dont get it.
 
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I'm amazed that the Americans here are arguing it's A-OK for a giant company to keep a database of citizen movements.

Guess what: thanks to the Patriot Act, google is one subpoena away from handing their records over to the evil government.

To compare google to some random schmuck with a camera is just silly.
 
If you travel allot by car Google maps and street view is very helpful, more so than Mapquest. I don't think there are thieves scouring Google Street View to find easy targets, how ridiculous is that? First off, it is not in real time so you can not "case" a joint with it and secondly, they stick to the roads so you can't navigate into someones back yard. Get a grip people, as some folks have already mentioned, there are far worse things to get your panties in a wad about.
 
it is perfectly acceptable to "not get it". the fact of the matter is though that google has a deep and rich history of surrendering information and habits to powers that be, completely ignoring the laws and constitutions put in place to protect our civil liberties.

currently google has admitted "flaws" in the system put into place to protect us... case in point their technology that "blurs" peoples faces, license plate numbers etc. you can submit a claim to google to remove the info should you come across it or it is brought to your attention. the caveat is in order to request it removed you must supply google with your address, photo id (including drivers license number) and a sworn statement. googles "team" states that they will NOT use this information for anything nor make it available to anyone?!? that is an out right lie in lieu of googles public battle (and loss) with the american government regarding routinely handing over personal information.

in canada the law clearly states that in order for google to proceed with street view they need to inform the public first. google has publicly admitted that they have already begun photographing communities without informing the public.

googles "team" paints a rosy picture yet how am I supposed to trust the corporate giant? they already have shown a consistent pattern of dishonesty.

and i guess there in lies the crux for me... a giant corporation entrusted with information about my personal space, activities, children's information etc.???? are you really prepared to surrender that with the belief that google will act in your best interest despite the fact that they have clearly acted otherwise? well count me out my friend.

sooo... i think the "frigin" rich people with nothing to do argument is a tad thin.
 
antiquark said:
I'm amazed that the Americans here are arguing it's A-OK for a giant company to keep a database of citizen movements.

Guess what: thanks to the Patriot Act, google is one subpoena away from handing their records over to the evil government.

To compare google to some random schmuck with a camera is just silly.
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I'm for a large corporation taking pictures and sharing them with the public, just like me sharing my photos with everyone else...

besides... the gov' ment already has surveillance or databases of of our roads and streets. Run! its the US census bureau!!!
If google wants to give a database showing all the web sites I have visited I could careless...
now if the government tries to step in a limit or make a crime what I can view on the web (have they??), then I would have a problem... information should flow freely.
 
Sparrow said:
So would you say that any right held by an individual should be also extended to a corporation?
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In the US, a Supreme Court ruling in the late 1800s gave corporations just that very right; which is one reason why, before that ruling, when you owned stock in a corporation you were personally responsible for its liability. Now, only the "officers" of the corporation are responsible, and the corporation, as an abstract entity, now enjoys many of the same rights of personhood as do we.

Another example is intellectual property laws; it used to be that only people could possess the right of intellectual property; now any abstract corporation, like XYZ, Inc, can possess that right.

~Joe
 
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FallisPhoto said:
Now as for you in California: Is it illegal for your neighbors to look out their second and third story windows that overlook your property? Are the telephone linemen breaking the law every time they go to work without a blindfold? What about UPS, Fedex, the mailman, meter readers, process servers, cable TV people, utilities workers, trash collectors, police, bail bond agents and the hundreds of other people which have legally mandated access to your property?
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of course our neighbors can look out their windows into my property, i'm not concerned about them. i'm worried about crooks.

it may seem silly to you, but this area is targeted by criminals all the time. they steal our mail for identity theft. it's bad enough that we have to have a PO box.

my beef with google is that they're so careless about it. they don't block out schools, prisons or anywhere that is targeted by criminals. why should google help someone figure out where to hide to snatch a kid? or the best route to pull off a bank heist getaway? this stuff happens every day and if crooks haven't started using these tools that google have developed, they will start using them soon.

like i said before, i know it's legal to photograph anything from public property. i just don't like it being so invasive that you can see the path from my neighbor three houses away that leads to the broken fence at back of my house. what purpose does that serve?

and tell me that it qouldn't creep you out to see your name listed as 'at this address' next to a map. when i clicked on my name, it takes me to a background check company that listed every city i've lived in and my f*cking sister's name as a possible relative. is that really the spirit of public records laws?

bob
 
pachuco said:
First off, it is not in real time so you can not "case" a joint with it and secondly, they stick to the roads so you can't navigate into someones back yard. Get a grip people, as some folks have already mentioned, there are far worse things to get your panties in a wad about.
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their satellite images are not limited to streets, they show everything.

bob
 
I just tried looking at a local outdoor mall that I know is on Private Property and it doesn't go in there...you can place the little man on a street in the mall but it just relocates him off the property...so I guess if you live on a street that states it's "PP" you shouldn't be in their photos...Yeah, I know not too many people live on Private streets...

I have seen my house on their site but they need to come back and reshoot the house next door...we got new neighbors now...
 
JoeV said:
In the US, a Supreme Court ruling in the late 1800s gave corporations just that very right; which is one reason why, before that ruling, when you owned stock in a corporation you were personally responsible for its liability. Now, only the "officers" of the corporation are responsible, and the corporation, as an abstract entity, now enjoys many of the same rights of personhood as do we.

Another example is intellectual property laws; it used to be that only people could possess the right of intellectual property; now any abstract corporation, like XYZ, Inc, can possess that right.

~Joe
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So that's a no then? I can see why your Supreme Court would have a difficulty with say Microsoft bearing arms, but Google spying on foreigners, what's the problem with that?
 
bob338 said:
as far as i know, the government doesn't post those surveillance photos on a website that lets you zoom in close enough to count the skylights on my roof.
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There are commercial imagery sources that might let you do that. All it takes is a credit card!
 
bob338 said:
of course our neighbors can look out their windows into my property, i'm not concerned about them. i'm worried about crooks.

it may seem silly to you, but this area is targeted by criminals all the time. they steal our mail for identity theft. it's bad enough that we have to have a PO box.

my beef with google is that they're so careless about it. they don't block out schools, prisons or anywhere that is targeted by criminals. why should google help someone figure out where to hide to snatch a kid? or the best route to pull off a bank heist getaway? this stuff happens every day and if crooks haven't started using these tools that google have developed, they will start using them soon.
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You mean like this? http://www.terraserver.com/ http://www.komar.org/faq/satellite_photo/ http://www.mapmart.com/AerialPhotography/Aerial.htm?gclid=CMCn7ODY1ZkCFYJM5Qod6E80YA http://maps.live.com/ Your house is already in there.

bob338 said:
like i said before, i know it's legal to photograph anything from public property. i just don't like it being so invasive that you can see the path from my neighbor three houses away that leads to the broken fence at back of my house. what purpose does that serve?
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Well, if I were a cop, and was serving a warrant on you, I'd probably be very interested.

bob338 said:
and tell me that it qouldn't creep you out to see your name listed as 'at this address' next to a map. when i clicked on my name, it takes me to a background check company that listed every city i've lived in and my f*cking sister's name as a possible relative. is that really the spirit of public records laws?

bob
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Now that's going a bit far, but still, you can do a background check on anyone without Google getting involved.
 
bob338 said:
as far as i know, the government doesn't post those surveillance photos on a website that lets you zoom in close enough to count the skylights on my roof.

bob
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Think again. I just went to a satellite imaging website and looked up my house. I can count the skylights, I see the cars in the driveway, I can count the trees in the yard, I can even see a tiny dot that I think is the grill on my back deck. Looks like it is about a year old though, so they don't have the more recent landscaping changes.
 
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