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Kevin, fathers cupboard was bare. Jacob ran a duty-free lentil business.
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I just didn't expect an M Leica to do arty-farty kalitype simulations from digital colour.
Old albumen prints, and most printing-out processes just happen that way despite considerable time and money spent on trying to get them to come out blacker with platinum, palladium and gold. Selenium toning of bromide prints simulates a defect, not a virtue (ok ok).
You can find mock-selenium toning in any entry-level picture program - even the printing machine at the supermarket has it.
So why build it into a Leica M ? The M is a prime tool, a lean and clean machine.
Someone suggested ignoring the 'vintage' feature. I can't, I fear it is the thin end of a marketing wedge. I just hope Leica leaves well alone.
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Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
I can see where downstairs is coming from and it's nothing to do with being a snob! There's no issue with a mono setting on the M9 for me ... but why call it 'vintage black and white?'
'Cheesy' marketing is what he's getting at here!
'Cheesy' marketing is what he's getting at here!
Keith
The best camera is one that still works!
How about an 'HCB' setting ...
... it's a bit like having a 'sport' mode for the suspension of the family Commodore wagon.
... it's a bit like having a 'sport' mode for the suspension of the family Commodore wagon.
Anupam
Well-known
Lot more than a mess of pottage. That graph - and not nostalgia - is what determines survival. Leica did what they needed to do to survive.
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Saw the graph. So we are back to December 2008. Not bad.
So, for the digital M series to survive, we shall have to live with prosumer features.
That would be no problem for nostalgic Leica people - we all have our film Ms. What is missing then is for Leitz to get into bed with Imacon and produce a dedicated scanner. That might bring back the the lean & clean MP.
Jamie123
Veteran
Leitz doesn't exist anymore, unless you're taliking about the company that makes office supplies (http://www.leitz.com/). Neither does Imacon, by the way, as they are now part of Hasselblad.
But seriously, why would they want to produce a "dedicated" scanner with Leica? The Flextight scanners are quite capable of scanning 35mm.
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
I too was quite surprised to find this kind of gimmick on the camera. let's hope, after the stupid mode on the M8.2, and the obtrusive, useless snapshot mode on the M9 that it is not setting a trend.
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Man, we are such purists and traditionalists.
250swb
Well-known
Thanks, I've been using my M9 for six or seven weeks now and didn't realise it was in the menu! For anybody worried about it, only use .dng and you'll also never know its in there, unless somebody tells you.......
Steve
Ming Rider
Film, the next evolution.
Oh I see. Jacob just ordered the lentils online and had them Fed-Ex'd for next day delivery. This is where the bible falls flat on it's face. It just brushes over the facts . . .
jaapv
RFF Sponsoring Member.
Indeed we are. Welcome to the Leica M world. Even Leica advertises the M8 and M9 as "a purists' camera"
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
Please. Obviously they're trying to appeal to rich people who want a fancy camera--those are the people keeping the damned company afloat. No popular appeal=no Leica. It is rank snobbery for someone to feel "shame" because their $8000 camera incorporates a feature that an amateur might appreciate.
Personally, if I could afford an M9, I would use the B&W jpeg mode often, perhaps more often than RAW. What better way to reproduce the experience of shooting B&W film in an old rangefinder? Leica is giving you guys precisely what you long for, and you're complaining about it.
Personally, if I could afford an M9, I would use the B&W jpeg mode often, perhaps more often than RAW. What better way to reproduce the experience of shooting B&W film in an old rangefinder? Leica is giving you guys precisely what you long for, and you're complaining about it.
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Correct me, but I have the feeling that a 24x36 negatives is not in the same category as roll and sheet film. It does not scan well in traditional fashion with a row of leds.
I've owned a Coolscan, a 4x5 Microtech and a Flextight. They won't save the film Leicas. Nor will costly drum scans.
What about 1:1 macro onto a 24x35mm sensor with multiple exposures and piezio shift - in a box.
The technology is there. My Hasselblad back does multiple exposures with 1 pixel shift for extra definition. I don't think a dedicated Leica box with a 24x35 sensor would do too badly. But correct me.
Richard Marks
Rexel
Has any one actually tried this mode out? It might actually be a bit of fun! Quite honestly I can not see any harm. But if one is going to be sniffy about this,surely one might be more ashamed of the nasty little playback screen, the slow processor, the relatively poor capacity rechargeable battery, and the primative TTL flash. If you can live with these retro features not normally found on professional cameras then the JPEG mode should not be too bad!
Best wishes
Richard
Best wishes
Richard
Jamie123
Veteran
Of course the Coolscans, the Flextights and the drum scans won't "save film Leicas". No scanner will. People buy digital cameras today not because there's a lack of scanners on the market but because they want all the advantages that a digital camera brings. Leica could come out with a new dedicated scanner and offer free blowjobs with every purchase and they would still not sell enough to make it worthwile.
And don't get me started on the inane idea of using a 24x35 sensor for a film scanner. This would not only be a waste of sensor space but it would also require a macro lens that delivers the same resolution from edge to edge.
Besides, I don't really think Leica has an interest in "saving" film Leicas in the long run. They want to save the company and if one day it turns out that film Leicas are no longer viable for the company they will stop making them.
amateriat
We're all light!
Steve M.
Veteran
I have all of my cameras permanently set to 'Ansel Adams' setting. They all must be defective because the setting doesn't seem to be working right
amateriat
We're all light!
If a "mode" like that is good enough for dSLRs, why not dRFs? If I wasn't content with shooting film, I'd actually seek out a dRF with just this feature...(singing) if I only had the bucks.
- Barrett
squirrel$$$bandit
Veteran
The R-D1 has it, and I use it sometimes, though the relatively low MP usually convinces me that RAW is better. On the M9, though, hell--you've got plenty of wiggle room at 18MP.