Dan Daniel
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Visiting Chicago or New York or San Francisco
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Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
I have family in Chicago's middle-class neighborhoods. There is no crime where they live. That article proves my point; the areas it talks about are all in the ghetto. Santa Fe was dangerous in even the nice parts of the town.
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"The number of overall shooting incidents skyrocketed, too, rising from 2,120 in 2019 to 3,237 as of Dec. 27, 2020." (Chicago Sun Times)
Believe whatever you like Chris.
Chriscrawfordphoto
Real Men Shoot Film.
In a city of 2.6 million people spread out over 234 square miles, the total number of shootings is far less important than WHERE the shootings happen. Like I said, I have a number of relative who have lived in middle class areas of Chicago for DECADES and have never had a shooting, murder, or other serious crime happen in the areas where they live. That's not a belief, its a fact.
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Chris, you'll excuse me if i say that's a very particular white middle-class American view that you're stating. I live in another country and people in many parts of the world (outside the USA) aren't as blase´ about thousands of shootings in one city.
robert blu
quiet photographer
San Francisco has always been in my dreams...
Raid, please do not forget to wear flowers in your hair as Scott McKenzie sings ... 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0vkKy504U
Raid, please do not forget to wear flowers in your hair as Scott McKenzie sings ... 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0vkKy504U
KenR
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It is sad that we can become inured to the gun violence in the US if it doesn’t affect us directly. But in truth most areas are fairly safe if you are careful.
raid
Dad Photographer
Bill Clark
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Try to visit sometime. Much to see and do and photograph.
Our daughter and her family live in LaCanada, about 6 miles from Pasadena. The reason I bring her up as her husband recently invited us on a trip to Morro Bay. He rented a van and took highway 1. Highway 1 runs next to the ocean. Beautiful views up and down the coast.
Morro Bay is just south of Monterey Bay. Oyster farming there. Not far from San Francisco. We rented some Kayaks and spent part of a day wandering around the bay.
Just so much to see in California. Population is double it was when I was there in the 1970’s.
If you have the time, fly into LAX, that’s the main airport in Los Angeles then drive up to San Francisco on highway 1. Then leave for home from San Francisco or drive back to Los Angeles which is probably less expensive for air fare and drop off of rented vehicle. You could take interstate highway 5 back which runs down about the middle of the state. It’s quicker.
After I came back from Vietnam, I rented an apartment in Long Beach. Located at 1980 Henderson. Then I drove back to Minnesota when I got separated from active duty.
PKR
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Robert, this AD, placed in AD Week and other advertising magazines, was made by my friend and neighbor Ed Zak (RIP). It's old, from the 70s - 80s but, it will give you a taste of what working as a photographer in San Francisco was like when things were good. The best times of my life.. 30 years worth.
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Rayt
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That’s the perfect vehicle to have in SF now - no worries about broken windows. 🙂
PKR
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Very few broken car windows back then. Ed was quite wealthy when he retired. He invested his money in SF business district property. His old studio, a retired SF Firehouse, became home to a large law firm when he moved out.
It was a different place back then. The local robber barons hadn't taken control of The City. George Moscone's death was the beginning of the change.
Ed owned a small collection of restored Porsche autos, incl a really nice 58 Speedster. These were parked in the back of his huge studio. The VW Thing was his daily driver.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moscone
raid
Dad Photographer
In San Francisco outside our Hotel a car was broken into this morning. Not our car. I skipped getting a rental car.
PKR
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Hi Raid
I'm just north of The City. The weather should warm up in the next few days. After some heat, usually two or three days worth, the fog will move into parts of SF. The area South of Market rarely gets any fog. The Park and The Avenues (Sunset) and Park-side neighborhoods will see lots.
I hope you're in town to experience it. Walking across the GG Bridge in the fog is worth doing. Be sure to take a jacket if you do that.
When i was in high school in the late 60s, i listened to two radio stations, KJAZ and KSFO. KSFO's station ID back then was famous. You'll find it in the link. It's short, give it a listen. It's a taste of what San Francisco once was.
Play “The Sound Of The City” main theme only:
https://bayarearadio.org/audio/ksfo/ksfo-sound-of-the-city
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Bingley
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Wise move, Raid! Enjoy the City!! There was a famous SF Chronicle columnist in the 1950s and ‘60s named Herb Caen, who used to refer to San Francisco as “Baghdad by the Bay.” The reference then was very different than it might be today, but there is still something of the mysterious and cosmopolitan to SF that Caen had in mind when he coined that phrase. SF was the kind of town that lured Americans seeking adventure, escape, a makeover, or (for one young man from Cedar City, Utah) a place to smoke and drink and try to make it as a newspaper reporter. The fog adds to the sense of mystery, to be sure. I don’t think the tech boom has completely destroyed that older SF, and it’s worth trying to find pieces of it in North Beach, Chinatown, the Mission, and along the Embarcadero. Have a great trip and let us know how you find the City!
raid
Dad Photographer
I am glad that I did not rent a car.
james.liam
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Wish I could say NY City is "ok".
Crime has seriously spiked all over town; a pro photographer I know was brutally assaulted in broad daylight in Midtown Manhattan by someone last week for the crime of street shooting. No constabulary in sight (can't blame them really; every action is filtered through a racialist lens despite over 1/2 the cops being black, Hispanic or east Asian themselves). In 50 years documenting life in the 1st and 3rd worlds, no one ever raised a hand to him.
Some stirrings of life but the city has changed. Midtown & Downtown Manhattan remain in a limbo. It is unclear how many people will return nor whether there are things for visitors to experience. Very, very inept governance that is maliciously hostile to those who pay the tab here in NYC. The rioting of last summer altered much of the retail; in SoHo many of the smaller stores never re-opened. About 30% of the restaurants closed permanently. Theatres are still shuttered. Museums have only now begun to re-open. Merit as a criteria for entry into the more rigorous public high schools was eliminated so the middle class is heading for the exits. Establishment mediocrities vying for the mayoralty proudly announced that taxes will of course dramatically rise at a time like this. This is what the governing class proudly label with the oxymoronic phrase of 'Progressive'.
Crime has seriously spiked all over town; a pro photographer I know was brutally assaulted in broad daylight in Midtown Manhattan by someone last week for the crime of street shooting. No constabulary in sight (can't blame them really; every action is filtered through a racialist lens despite over 1/2 the cops being black, Hispanic or east Asian themselves). In 50 years documenting life in the 1st and 3rd worlds, no one ever raised a hand to him.
Some stirrings of life but the city has changed. Midtown & Downtown Manhattan remain in a limbo. It is unclear how many people will return nor whether there are things for visitors to experience. Very, very inept governance that is maliciously hostile to those who pay the tab here in NYC. The rioting of last summer altered much of the retail; in SoHo many of the smaller stores never re-opened. About 30% of the restaurants closed permanently. Theatres are still shuttered. Museums have only now begun to re-open. Merit as a criteria for entry into the more rigorous public high schools was eliminated so the middle class is heading for the exits. Establishment mediocrities vying for the mayoralty proudly announced that taxes will of course dramatically rise at a time like this. This is what the governing class proudly label with the oxymoronic phrase of 'Progressive'.
raid
Dad Photographer
Another car break in across from our hotel in a very touristy area.
KenR
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NYC bustling today
NYC bustling today
I am reading this after a trip into Manhattan and then Brooklyn earlier today. The streets of the lower east side were packed, making my car trip rather slow. We bought some knishes (potato pies) to take to family in Brooklyn and had to wait on line to get served. Things sure seem back to normal to me.
NYC bustling today
I am reading this after a trip into Manhattan and then Brooklyn earlier today. The streets of the lower east side were packed, making my car trip rather slow. We bought some knishes (potato pies) to take to family in Brooklyn and had to wait on line to get served. Things sure seem back to normal to me.
james.liam
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Yup. Places like the Lower East Side, Chinatown and residential areas on the Upper West & East Sides are much improved; especially on weekends. Everything else, and during weekdays, not so much.