bo_lorentzen
Established
Another real life shot. across the table at Cafe Verona on la Brea this morning. the lens is tack sharp yet a bit low contrast, the background is trees and bushes so the highlights are sky and sunshine, which makes for very high contrast creating the resulting circles of light in the defocus area. the hairs by the back of the head have already moved to be almost just a blur.
http://bophoto.typepad.com/bophoto/2009/07/voightlander-50mm-11-its-here.html
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http://bophoto.typepad.com/bophoto/2009/07/voightlander-50mm-11-its-here.html
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rlouzan
Well-known
bo_lorentzen: Now those are Summarit Swirlies in the background!
Not as wild and crazy as a Canon 50/.0.95 or a Summarit.
That is what I want to see! Some astigmatism, and over-correction for spherical aberration. And who says this lens does not have character! HAH!
This is with the Nikkor 5.8cm F1.4 in F-Mount. Also shows astigmatism, not as pronounced as a Summarit.
Nikkor 5.8cm F1.4, wide-open on the Nikon F Photomic (Bullseye).
The 5.8cm F1.4 is a classic Xenon with the front element split into two of lesser power. It is a 1-1-2-2-1 vs the Summarit 1-2-2-1-1.
FOOTNOTE: I put this image up as the "Swirlies", ie football shapes in the out-of-focus region looks like the above Portrait. They are caused by astigmatism, as seen in the Summarit. This Nokton has the characteristics of a super-speed Xenon derivitive.
I like it!
Not as wild and crazy as a Canon 50/.0.95 or a Summarit.
That is what I want to see! Some astigmatism, and over-correction for spherical aberration. And who says this lens does not have character! HAH!
This is with the Nikkor 5.8cm F1.4 in F-Mount. Also shows astigmatism, not as pronounced as a Summarit.
Nikkor 5.8cm F1.4, wide-open on the Nikon F Photomic (Bullseye).
The 5.8cm F1.4 is a classic Xenon with the front element split into two of lesser power. It is a 1-1-2-2-1 vs the Summarit 1-2-2-1-1.
FOOTNOTE: I put this image up as the "Swirlies", ie football shapes in the out-of-focus region looks like the above Portrait. They are caused by astigmatism, as seen in the Summarit. This Nokton has the characteristics of a super-speed Xenon derivitive.
I like it!
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LeicaTom
Watch that step!
A lens is tool, just like a hammer is to a carpenter and many people have a "gift" of being able to push that tool just a little bit further than it should normally go, and with a good eye, they might even shoot something called ART!!!!
~ HCB did it with an ole beat up Screw Mount Leica and a Zeiss Sonnar, and many other famous Photographer`s have done it with even less.......
Go out and buy a Canon f1.5/50 in LTM and put it on a Leica M3 or M6 and shoot some ART till your eyes fall out!!!!!
That`s the lens to do it with, trust me
Now that`s my load of crap, I`m sure many here will agree with, now go find a pretty model or a fascinating subject
and shoot!!!!!
Tom
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Pickett Wilson
Veteran
Lens wars: the sequel, coming to a theater near you.
Krosya
Konicaze
Here are a couple of examples from Bennyng's photos on DOF differences:
DOF with Noctilux is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngminchai/3677396650/
and similar photo DOF with new Nokton 50/1.1:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngminchai/3677305260/
I think it's very clear from these that Nokton has a much larger DOF.
DOF with Noctilux is here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngminchai/3677396650/
and similar photo DOF with new Nokton 50/1.1:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngminchai/3677305260/
I think it's very clear from these that Nokton has a much larger DOF.
Epimetheus
Well-known
It looks like the first picture was taken from a closer distance if you compare the size of the man in the foreground. Closer distance would create more blur on background.
bennyng
Benny Ng
The color picture was shot standing up. The monochrome picture was shot 5 steps to the left and shot from the knee level. I was slightly closer to the subject in the monochrome image because of the change in position.
Cheers,
Krosya
Konicaze
So, there was not a significant difference in distance to account for such a significant difference in DOF? Correct? In other words, CV lens has a lot deeper DOF for 1.1 lens compared to 1.0 lens?
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yanidel
Well-known
I considered this CV50mm 1.1 but opted for the 60mm Hexanon 1.2. It is a bit more expensive, but much less than the Noctilux. It's got a signature at F1.2, but starting at F1.4 and above it becomes contrasty. Build quality is great (I love the aperture ring), fairly small light for a super fast lens (I guess similar to the CV1.1) and big bonus, it matches perfectly the 50mm framelines of a non upgraded M8. So if you are in search of a super fast 50-60 for the M8, also take a look at it.
So really, all I can say is Cocorricooo.
So really, all I can say is Cocorricooo.
thrice
Established
The kodak lab thought it would be funny to rape my nokton negatives. I think I've taken colour correction for granted, I'll have to invest in either my own scanner or start shooting with colour correction filters. They also managed to get uneven blotches on the negatives rendering quite a few frames unusable. As this was a wedding shoot I'm quite stressed, they also didn't scan the entire provia roll. As a result of the botched negatives they didn't charge me, but I also won't go there again. I'll get the negatives rescanned at the Fuji pro lab in town tomorrow as well as get my provia scanned and the other roll of superia I just finished, hopefully have something nice to show you all soon.
0bli0
still developing...
you may want to consider developing your own rolls... you may not if it were a wedding. i probably would. but for everything else, it saves having to worry about what someone at the lab does out of your control...
thrice
Established
'Tis colour though, and I cannot control the temperature nor do I want to handle colour chemicals
I think it was just poor choice by me going for a cheap lab.
0bli0
still developing...
i develop all of my own colour e6 & c41... (sometimes i even experiment by doing some weird hybrid of both - e6 pre developer and then c41 developer, etc.)
controlling the temperature is really quite easy and you can wear kitchen gloves
but yeah i know what you mean about the cheap labs...
controlling the temperature is really quite easy and you can wear kitchen gloves
but yeah i know what you mean about the cheap labs...
adrianzg
Established
just tried it at the shop, it's a huge chunk of glass, impressive sharpness but i expected much narrower dof at 1.1
wide open on superia 200:
was hoping to find something more like this:
prototype zeiss sonnar on the same roll of film:
wide open on superia 200:
was hoping to find something more like this:
prototype zeiss sonnar on the same roll of film:
Freakscene
Obscure member
I read up, you're right. Thanks for educating me!
This is as good as it gets with the Nokton then... I love the sight of it, it looks great, seems well built, nice and rather compact, but I'll stick to the M-Hexanon 50mm 1.2 then
The effective depth-of-field (DoF) is less on a crop camera, due to the additional enlargement needed for the same size print or screen image; this results in a smaller allowable circle of confusion at the image plane; thus slightly smaller DoF.
The DOF shrinks exponentially as focal length increases, and linearly due to crop factor, at normal (non-macro) image heights.
There is vast misinformation on depth of field on the internet, largely due to the theory of DoF being based on mathematics that most people don't seem to be able to grasp, and a large amount of pre-existing misleading and incorrect information.
Marty
thrice
Established
Superia 400, f/1.1, 1/1000s taken during the golden hour yesterday
edodo
Well-known
Don't want to start a war, just have to say that this lens is not more magical than any other lens out there! Seems like Noctilux owner shoot more carefully for maximum effect with their expensive lens thus making more moving reaching pictures!
I would love to see this lens on various film emulsion (portra NC, velvia etc.)
I would love to see this lens on various film emulsion (portra NC, velvia etc.)
thrice
Established
I think the first statement smacks of flamebait, unless you just chose not to read any of the posts prior to this page. It's f/1.1 with high sharpness and nice OOF for $1200... This ground has been covered in previous pages of this thread, the lens is an excellent design with very minimal aberrations, had leica released it as a bargain non-asph version of noctilux people would sing it's praises from the hilltops.
I don't look at an incredibly moving photograph and think wow I want his/her lens, I'll say wow what a photographer. How does owning a noctilux make one try harder to get a good photograph? What nonsense.
I have some shots taken on provia I was going to post but I honestly think I'll just post them in a gallery with no mention of the equipment used and see what people say. Incidentally can you show me a shot taken with a noctilux where it's character is essential to the emotional/storytelling nature of the photograph?
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edodo
Well-known
Sorry I should have measured what I was saying. Please don't be offended any one. This lens is a bargain for us leica folks. Alright.
On the noctilux subject, I have saw many shots where the rendition is just like a big format film. The OOF is so smooth and the Focal point is so sharp, it costs this price for a reason.
Concerning the new nokton, I never saw a single shot where the OOF is very special. It just looks like blurry OOF without even being smooth. The OOF of the noktilux seems smoother.
That is the kind of info I was seeking in this thread. Please feel free to post the pics here. My previous young lad comment only reflects my lack of patience and taste. Don't bother with it.
Cheers.
On the noctilux subject, I have saw many shots where the rendition is just like a big format film. The OOF is so smooth and the Focal point is so sharp, it costs this price for a reason.
Concerning the new nokton, I never saw a single shot where the OOF is very special. It just looks like blurry OOF without even being smooth. The OOF of the noktilux seems smoother.
That is the kind of info I was seeking in this thread. Please feel free to post the pics here. My previous young lad comment only reflects my lack of patience and taste. Don't bother with it.
Cheers.