rxmd
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If a lens doesn't convice you, the consideration whether there is no alternative for it becomes somewhat meaningless.
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If a lens doesn't convice you, the consideration whether there is no alternative for it becomes somewhat meaningless.
rxmd
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You're right, of course, but pictures can fail to convince you beforehand.
Then again, I should try it, so the next time I'm in the Benelux region I'll bring the M5 and drop you a mail beforehand 😉
Uwe_Nds
Chief Assistant Driver
Erik,
Now, why is there no alternative?
I did not find the 1.5 Nokton too slow, yet (just as an example)
And why do I have to try a lens to be convinced or rather not convinced?
The pictures I have seen from the 1.1 Nokton still do not convince me - no GAS whatsoever.
BTW: also no GAS for the Noctilux. 😉
Cheers,
Uwe
rxmd
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Hey Erik,
It's actually the opposite that counts. I don't know about you, but I usually need convincing that I want something, not that I don't want something. If I show you pictures that you don't like, or pictures that don't show much of an advancement over others, I don't think you have to try it yourself just to be sure that you don't want it. You don't have to "know" the lens for that.
If it's the other way round, I have a Industar-61 for you that's probably misaligned or something. Believe me, it takes horrible pictures, but hey, you have to try it, to "know" it to make sure you don't want it until you've tried it - maybe you'll just use it differently.
I'll get back to you on that Nokton offer nevertheless 😉
Philipp
It's actually the opposite that counts. I don't know about you, but I usually need convincing that I want something, not that I don't want something. If I show you pictures that you don't like, or pictures that don't show much of an advancement over others, I don't think you have to try it yourself just to be sure that you don't want it. You don't have to "know" the lens for that.
If it's the other way round, I have a Industar-61 for you that's probably misaligned or something. Believe me, it takes horrible pictures, but hey, you have to try it, to "know" it to make sure you don't want it until you've tried it - maybe you'll just use it differently.
I'll get back to you on that Nokton offer nevertheless 😉
Philipp
Krosya
Konicaze
Lets see - there is a Canon 50/1.2, there is Hexanon 50/1.2 - so there are some other lenses to chose from that are not that expensive.
As far as trying lens to become convinced its good - not so sure. All the lenses I have now (and have had in the past) - I got BECAUSE I saw pics from them first and liked those pics. On the other hand - I have never bought a lens if i didnt like pictures from it. Now, sometimes, I'd get a lens and decide I dont like it as much as I thought I would, but never would I buy a lens that I dont like pictures from. And to me - nokton 1.1 is just the case - the more pics i see from it, the more i'm glad I didnt spend my money on it. Seems that your experience is different - and thats fine. I can perfectly accept that you may not like pics/lenses i chose.
Krosya
Konicaze
So, if a lens is 50 years old - its not good? You use 50 your old leica and seem to have no problems. right? 😉
As far as Canon 50/1.2 goes - I used to have one and it was sharp enough at 1.2:
and there is more of MY pics with it here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73041278@N00/tags/50mm12/
As far as Hexanon 50/1.2 - it's not that much more money, considering what you get and you can almost always find them on ebay and you you wait a little at a good price too, just a few hundred more than nokton 1.1.
There is also Canon 50/0.95 and if you think it's not good enough - look at some pics here:
http://fiveprime.org/flickr_hvmnd.c...h=1&sort=Interestingness&textinput=canon+0.95
Yes, some old Canon lenses are not in as good of a shape as others, but a well adjusted one is plenty good. It's more often than not - people cant focus those lenses correctly wide open or thier camera/lens may need to be adjusted. Whan everything works the way it is supposed to - they do a darn good job, if you ask me.
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Erik van Straten
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Krosya, you are doing very well with your Canon 50mm f/1.2! Are these pictures on film?
Erik.
Erik.
Tom A
RFF Sponsor
I disagree here - the Hexanon 50f1.2 is more money than the Nokton f1.1 - and that is for a used lens! In case of problems with it - Konica is no longer in business so service and adjustments are "iffy" at best.
The performance difference between them is not huge - as to which is better - it is a matter of opinion. I used to have the 60f1.2 - a lens that was better than my Noctilux at the time - but to big and clumsy. I like the Nokton f1.1 as it is reasonably priced as new, extremely good for a "super speed" lens and compact enough to carry on the camera as a stock 50 mm lens.
Comparing a SLR lens with a rangefinder lens is unfair to the SLR lens. Unless the camera is used with a mirror-up feature - the shake and "slap" from the mirror will affect slow shutterspeed performance. I have had the Noct Nikkor and the regular 50f1.2 Nikkor and they are both good lenses - but the fact that you are really limited to 1/30 or above negates the advantage of the fast lens. You can hand-hold a Rf at 1/8 or slower with some practice - and you can focus it too. A SLR is limited to what it can "see" due to light loss in screens/mirror/prisms.
The performance difference between them is not huge - as to which is better - it is a matter of opinion. I used to have the 60f1.2 - a lens that was better than my Noctilux at the time - but to big and clumsy. I like the Nokton f1.1 as it is reasonably priced as new, extremely good for a "super speed" lens and compact enough to carry on the camera as a stock 50 mm lens.
Comparing a SLR lens with a rangefinder lens is unfair to the SLR lens. Unless the camera is used with a mirror-up feature - the shake and "slap" from the mirror will affect slow shutterspeed performance. I have had the Noct Nikkor and the regular 50f1.2 Nikkor and they are both good lenses - but the fact that you are really limited to 1/30 or above negates the advantage of the fast lens. You can hand-hold a Rf at 1/8 or slower with some practice - and you can focus it too. A SLR is limited to what it can "see" due to light loss in screens/mirror/prisms.
Krosya
Konicaze
Hexanons are not as big as you make it sound. If you look at this thered:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54053
you can see that they are about the same length as Summilux ASPH. Just a little thicker. I dont think that nokton 1.1 is really smaller size, but than again I never compared. So, if you think that nokton is compact enough - these should be as well. It's true - Nocilux is larger.
Yes they are used, but remain to be awsome quality and there are people like DAG that can work on them , but while I have had many Hexanons - none ever needed adjustments - not something I could say about some Cosina lenses. BTW, I never said that Hexanons cost the same money - they do cost more, but you get what you pay for and it's not that much more. About the same difference as buying ZM Sonnar 50/1.5 over CV 50/1.5 in terms of $$.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54053
you can see that they are about the same length as Summilux ASPH. Just a little thicker. I dont think that nokton 1.1 is really smaller size, but than again I never compared. So, if you think that nokton is compact enough - these should be as well. It's true - Nocilux is larger.
Yes they are used, but remain to be awsome quality and there are people like DAG that can work on them , but while I have had many Hexanons - none ever needed adjustments - not something I could say about some Cosina lenses. BTW, I never said that Hexanons cost the same money - they do cost more, but you get what you pay for and it's not that much more. About the same difference as buying ZM Sonnar 50/1.5 over CV 50/1.5 in terms of $$.
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john_s
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I'd have the CV f1.5 before the ZM Sonnar f1.5 any day, because of huge focus shift. Yes, I did own the ZM for a few weeks. For me, being able to focus at full aperture was more important than bokeh in certain contrasty conditions. I could have learned to step backwards after focusing when using small apertures and forwards at wide apertures, but it seemed too hard for me.
Reds
Newbie
Here's a couple of images I shot in July. Just had them developed. Did a little selective sharpening & minor tone curve tweaks in photoshop.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/3892409889/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/3893203568/
I am starting to like this lens more and more!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/3892409889/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/3893203568/
I am starting to like this lens more and more!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/reds42/
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0bli0
still developing...
wide open on M8
adrianzg
Established
is that a vertical line an artifact from processing? dang, this lens is SHARP!
meven
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Some old wrecks in Brittany (France)
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adrianzg
Established
OOPS! 😛
i am this {----} close to buying the 1.1...something's stopping me and i don't know what!!
adrianzg
Established
nothing fancy, just test shots of a really outstanding nokton.
gohaj
Well-known
adrianzg
Established
shot on film, all wide open:
initial impressions on full frame: very sharp, very contrasty, not much vignetting and lens does not feel that big. the apparent wider DOF works well in low light shots where a wider dof is desired and an advantage in grab shots as focus is more forgiving.
initial impressions on full frame: very sharp, very contrasty, not much vignetting and lens does not feel that big. the apparent wider DOF works well in low light shots where a wider dof is desired and an advantage in grab shots as focus is more forgiving.
adrianzg
Established
1.1 makes a lot of sens now..
wide open, m6 + bw400cn:
both hand held in very very low light, both ultra sharp!!!
m8, wide open + nd4 filter bw jpg from camera + toning in ps:
wide open, m6 + bw400cn:
both hand held in very very low light, both ultra sharp!!!
m8, wide open + nd4 filter bw jpg from camera + toning in ps:
Leica All Day
Veteran
A couple of weeks ago I was in a camera store getting a minor repair done to my m6ttl and the owner told me that it would be about 30 minutes and then he told me to go outside and shoot this lens....he handed me a Nokton 50mm 1.1....I must admit, I was a little surprised... I felt "rushed" a little bit, but needless to say, I went out and shot some shots...all shots are wide open (1.1).....
cheers, michael
cheers, michael
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